Romney: Individual Mandate "Is A Tax"

[stinkcat_14]

My niece and her husband CHOSE not to buy health insurance a few years back. He is a computer engineer,makes a good living. He was Dx’s with testicular cancer.His treatment cost,over $100,000.00 Rather then be saddled with that debt,they declared bankrupcy,walked away from their home.Started over in another state,works for a Co. that provides his health insurance.I’d be willing to bet this is not an isolated case.Again,plenty of folks simply choose not to buy insurance,yet they are lumped in with all those who can’t afford it.

How is this any different from bankers who make excessively risky loans knowing that if it doesn’t work out they can always declare bankruptcy and pass those costs on to someone else.

 

[Jeanne_S]

How is this any different from bankers who make excessively risky loans knowing that if it doesn’t work out they can always declare bankruptcy and pass those costs on to someone else.

It’s not,both actions are immoral.

 

[tarboy]

I knew it was just a matter of time before Romney’s advisors would persuade him to call the mandate a tax rather than a penalty. He also probably read your posts! LOL

What does this say about Romney’s core? I think he will shift and twist any which way on virtually any issue to increase his election chances. And if he is elected, he will no doubt continue to change his views at every turn. (I know, so has Obama.)

I saw Romney respond. He explained that he now calls it a tax because the US “magisterium” has so ruled it a tax.

Are you suggesting we should ignore the supreme court, as many Catholics ignore direction from the Vatican?

 

[austenbosten]

Who’s tyranny?

Providing access to health care is tyranny?

Get sick without health insurance and you’ll get first hand experience on what real tyranny is.

As long as we have a for-profit health care system, anyone who doesn’t have health insurance or medicaid, will be given economic euthanasia when they get sick.

Jim

No providing access to health care is not tyranny, once again you are exaggerating and misguided. Tyranny is when you force people to access healthcare, which is what the PPACA does.

Getting insurance is not expensive as many on the Left think it out to be. I was able to pull up a quote at Blue Cross Blue Shield and I can get coverage for as low as $75 a month. To those who truly are unable to afford something like that, then they would qualify for Medicaid.

However even if they were unable, which according to the figures, 12 Million Americans are. The solution is not overtake the healthcare system and force people who cannot afford insurance to buy health insurance, with punitive taxes and onerous regulations and trillions of dollars in spending. The more sensible solution would be to expand the Medicaid program to cover those people uninsured. But this law does not do that, this law forces people who cannot afford health insurance to buy health insurance. So you can talk all you want about economic euthanasia (which makes no sense considering no one was ever killed for lack of health insurance) but there is nothing compassionate or logical to force people who are unable to afford health insurance, to either buy it or pay a punitive tax.

 

[meltzerboy]

I saw Romney respond. He explained that he now calls it a tax because the US “magisterium” has so ruled it a tax.

Are you suggesting we should ignore the supreme court, as many Catholics ignore direction from the Vatican?

We may disagree with the Supreme Court, as do individual SC justices themselves who dissent on rulings. It’s not as though we’re breaking any law by our disagreement. What Catholics do in relation to the Vatican is not for me to pass judgment.

 

[austenbosten]

Isn’t health care the first right for many: the right to life?

Healthcare is not a human right as the Left want to claim it is. Although one has the right to seek access to healthcare, one does not have the right to expect healthcare to be provided for them. The same way in regards to the right of life. You have no right to coerce others to feed, clothe and house you, however you do have the right to feed, clothe and house yourself with no one stopping you.

 

[meltzerboy]

No providing access to health care is not tyranny, once again you are exaggerating and misguided. Tyranny is when you force people to access healthcare, which is what the PPACA does.

Getting insurance is not expensive as many on the Left think it out to be. I was able to pull up a quote at Blue Cross Blue Shield and I can get coverage for as low as $75 a month. To those who truly are unable to afford something like that, then they would qualify for Medicaid.

However even if they were unable, which according to the figures, 12 Million Americans are. The solution is not overtake the healthcare system and force people who cannot afford insurance to buy health insurance, with punitive taxes and onerous regulations and trillions of dollars in spending. The more sensible solution would be to expand the Medicaid program to cover those people uninsured. But this law does not do that, this law forces people who cannot afford health insurance to buy health insurance. So you can talk all you want about economic euthanasia (which makes no sense considering no one was ever killed for lack of health insurance) but there is nothing compassionate or logical to force people who are unable to afford health insurance, to either buy it or pay a punitive tax.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield at $75 a month? I wonder what policy that is and what benefits it includes. BC/BS, which is my health care provider, generally costs several hundred dollars a month if not covered by an employer. Please PM me with the details!

 

[meltzerboy]

Healthcare is not a human right as the Left want to claim it is. Although one has the right to seek access to healthcare, one does not have the right to expect healthcare to be provided for them. The same way in regards to the right of life. You have no right to coerce others to feed, clothe and house you, however you do have the right to feed, clothe and house yourself with no one stopping you.

Perhaps it’s not a legal right, but it’s a human right nonetheless.

 

[VikingNormandy]

governments tax -nothing new

we vote them out in November

i have many questions about this law and these zombie Americans i must deal with -my only country

i want to make a list of reasons i dont like this" health" law

i have slow computers and i dont type well -very frustrated

 

[VikingNormandy]

my feeling is the health law is mainly bureaucracy- not health care

alex jones on radio says it connected with the evil agenda 21

 

[austenbosten]

Blue Cross and Blue Shield at $75 a month? I wonder what policy that is and what benefits it includes. BC/BS, which is my health care provider, generally costs several hundred dollars a month if not covered by an employer. Please PM me with the details!

Sorry but I was doing a quote from Ohio’s BC/BS. New York is run by Communists so you cannot get a HSA High-deductible plan. You only have 3 or 4 choices. Ohio’s BC/BS gives you 9 plans to choose from. Either the high-premium/low-deductible or vice versa.

The cheapest health insurance plan is the HSA plan that has a 0% co-insurance with no out-of-pocket maximum. Mental and Drug are covered, Maternity is not.

You have several choices but the extremes are:

Option A:
Premium - $49.67
Deductible - $5,500

Option B:
Premium - $120.58
Deductible - $1,500

Perhaps it’s not a legal right, but it’s a human right nonetheless.

Just as the pursuit of happiness is a right, doesn’t mean other people are forced to make you happy. You have the right to pursue your own happiness. As for health care, you have the right to either

• Get a job that offers health insurance
• Buy health insurance
• Save your money for health care expenses
• Seek charity for healthcare
• Maintain a healthly lifestyle
• and others to name

But you do not have a right to force people to take care of you against their own will.

 

[VikingNormandy]

fixhealthcarepolicy.com/research/obamacare-one-pill-two-pill-red-pill-blue-pill/

snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/2010/09/ten-billion-reasons-why-obamacare-sucks.html

 

[CMatt25]

RomneyCare is a state plan, and America is a federalist country. If you do not like the health care, you can move to another state. You do not get that ability with ObamaTax

Nope wrong. Not everyone can just pick up and move from one state to another. It’s naive to think that’s the case. There may be financial, housing, family, employment, any number of considerations that prevent someone from moving. I wouldn’t mind escaping my Tea party governor and US Senator in the state I live in, and lets say having Senator Sanders of VT represent me in the US Senate. But I right now won’t be moving to VT.

 

[austenbosten]

Nope wrong. Not everyone can just pick up and move from one state to another. It’s naive to think that’s the case. There may be financial, housing, family, employment, any number of considerations that prevent someone from moving. I wouldn’t mind escaping my Tea party governor and US Senator in the state I live in, and lets say having Senator Sanders of VT represent me in the US Senate. But I right now won’t be moving to VT.

It’s a heck of a lot easier to move to another state, than it is to move to another country

And yes you can pick up and move from one state to another, there’s nothing holding you back from moving to Vermont but your own excuses that you put forth. I’ve done so with moving to NY and back…you just have to take a couple months of preparation.

 

[meltzerboy]

It’s a heck of a lot easier to move to another state, than it is to move to another country

And yes you can pick up and move from one state to another, there’s nothing holding you back from moving to Vermont but your own excuses that you put forth. I’ve done so with moving to NY and back…you just have to take a couple months of preparation.

As one who has moved to another state in the past, I can say it feels like moving to another country. Yes, it can be done; but the point is, it’s very inconvenient if one has a family and a good job. Why should one have to depend on the state one lives in to receive something as important as health care? Should we do the same with regard to education: some states will offer it, while others will not? Or should we just eliminate all basic services related to the federal government?

 

[austenbosten]

As one who has moved to another state in the past, I can say it feels like moving to another country. Yes, it can be done; but the point is, it’s very inconvenient if one has a family and a good job. Why should one have to depend on the state one lives in to receive something as important as health care? Should we do the same with regard to education: some states will offer it, while others will not? Or should we just eliminate all basic services related to the federal government?

I don’t know I moved from Ohio to NYC and back, and I can say there was some culture shock, but as someone who has visited Canada and Caribbean nations…the shock was vastly more present than moving to NYC.

Yes because it’s a lot more convenient to move to another state and not have to deal with work visas, residencies, citizenship tests, dual tax codes that seldom mimic each other and currency exchange rates.

Yes states should choose how to educate the way they did it since the founding of this nation up until the late 1970s. I don’t know about you, but our previous education system led our scientists and engineers to fly to the Moon…what has our brilliant federal education system done besides protect the corrupt teachers union?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If it doesn’t meet the test of subsidiarity, it’s not acceptable to the Church. Single-payer implies no subsidiarity whatsoever, but a a central budgetary algorithm that will control all the levers of your quality-of-care.

Health-care may be a human right, but so is food. If the gov’t issued a law giving itself complete control of food distribution, is that okay?

Government already has control of food distribution.

You can not raise cows and slaughter them for the meat and sell it.

You can not produce farm crops using toxic chemicals and sell them.

Heck, farmers get farm subsidies to not grow certain crops and to grow others.

Giving corporations and farmers subsidies is perfectly OK, but providing health care to the citizens is considered Stalinist-Communism to conservatives.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What if he wants to pay out of pocket for medical services?

Fine, if he can afford it.

The majority of Americans would ended up losing their homes if they had to pay out of their own pockets for major health issues where they end up in a hospital.

Heck, when my son was born premature back in 1981, he racked up $75,000 in the intensive care unit alone.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

My niece and her husband CHOSE not to buy health insurance a few years back. He is a computer engineer,makes a good living. He was Dx’s with testicular cancer.His treatment cost,over $100,000.00 Rather then be saddled with that debt,they declared bankrupcy,walked away from their home.Started over in another state,works for a Co. that provides his health insurance.I’d be willing to bet this is not an isolated case.Again,plenty of folks simply choose not to buy insurance,yet they are lumped in with all those who can’t afford it.

So are you saying that filing for bankruptcy and losing your home is the better option than having health insurance ?

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

austenbosten

No providing access to health care is not tyranny, once again you are exaggerating and misguided. Tyranny is when you force people to access healthcare, which is what the PPACA does.

Getting insurance is not expensive as many on the Left think it out to be. I was able to pull up a quote at Blue Cross Blue Shield and I can get coverage for as low as $75 a month. To those who truly are unable to afford something like that, then they would qualify for Medicaid.

Hymm, my Blue Cross and Blue Shield coverage for my wife and myself, through COBRA, was $1400 per month.

$75 per month must be for yourself and you’re probably under 40 years of age.

Jim