Romney: Obama won with 'gifts' to certain voters

[oldcelt]

Oldcelt, you have it backwards: Obama covered up Benghazi for political gain - Watergate X 10.

A terrorist attack would be a huge blow to the false narrative of Obama middeast foreign policy success. So, they pitched it as a spontaneous response to a video. Obama administration also ignored requests for more security and when the attack was happening someone (we don’t know who, yet) ordered the CIA to stand down. We need to get to the bottom of this. I believe that the truth, when it gets out, will hurt Obama significantly. Now Oldcelt, be honest: if this were a Republican, you’d be the first in line calling for an investigation of this.

Ishii

No Ishii, I wouldn’t, because I know in the grand scheme of things this event is a blip on the screen…as were the numerous attacks under Republican administrations.

 

[ishii]

Chris Christie: Romney’s ‘Gifts’ Comments ‘Divisive’

This is nothing more than political manuevering on Christie’s and Jindal’s part: they are getting ready for a presidential run in 2016. Romney is right: we have a society in which ever larger percentages of people benefit from government programs funded by the taxpayer. It is natural that a majority of those benefitting from those programs would vote to keep their benefits - and benefactor, Obama. Those who rob Peter to pay Paul will receive the vote of Paul. Now there are other reasons why Romney lost - Candy, Sandy, Murdock and Akin, e.g. And unlike Obama in 2008 who was an empty canvass that people could project their hopes and dreams onto, Romney actually had a record - as governor, in business, and as leader of the Olympics. Obama still doesn’t have a record.

As for Christie: his antics may make him popular among swing voters in New Jersey, but I will forever think of him as a traitor who embraced Obama 4 days before a close election. He has lost my respect and my support.

Ishii

 

[Kindness]

Where I live the people are working but they also receive government housing, education and health care. Most are young (under 30) and only have a high school education. They generally marry young and many have three or more children. Most belong to groups that are characterized as “minority” - African American, Latino, Asian. When we are at Mass the senior choir leader and sacristan are both African American. White people make up perhaps 25% of the congregation. It is a US military base.

My point is the Republicans are talking about the American population in a way that does not reflect the reality of the lives lived by most people, especially those under 35. Their comments do not reflect the reality of that most naturally conservative of bastions, the US military.

Romney’s comments reinforce the perception of many Americans that the Republicans have the interests of a super wealthy minority as their focus, and don’t see that the middle class and the young are struggling to make their way despite working hard. Instead he talks about the 47% and the “gifts” people receive.

The impression that is given is that the Republicans are actually the ones who feel entitled. Romney acted as if he was entitled to the presidency.

 

[ishii]

No Ishii, I wouldn't,

Yeah, right.

because I know in the grand scheme of things this event is a blip on the screen…as were the numerous attacks under Republican administrations.

Watergate wasn’t a blip on the grand scheme of things. And Benghazi is a cover up just like Watergate, only worse. You remember Watergate, don’t you? How many died, again?

Ishii

 

[oldcelt]

Yeah, right.

Watergate wasn’t a blip on the grand scheme of things. And Benghazi is a cover up just like Watergate, only worse. You remember Watergate, don’t you? How many died, again?

Ishii

You know Ishii, you are making a very broad assumption for which you have no proof…sounds like the Republicans in Congress.

Watergate was an attempt on the part of Republican operatives to play dirty tricks in order to win an election that they already had won. It became a crime for the President because of Nixon’s well-known paranoia.

And the death thing is just sad…such desperation from the GOP supporters…it makes me happy.

John

 

[ishii]

What do you think he will do with himself?

Well if his past is any indication, he won’t retire - he’ll keep making contributions to society just like most successful businessmen do - in contrast to career politicians on both side of the aisle.

Ishii

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Benghazi will soon be logged in with all the embassy attacks of the past. Remember, those were the ones that the Democrats didn’t use for political gain.

John

So, Richard Nixon was to be impeached for spying on a political rival. Obama can cause the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a US Border agent and the deaths of embassy personnel in Libya and he gets a pass? Democrats sincerely have their priorities WAY screwed up.

But then again, one of the heroes of the liberals/Progressives/Democrats, Mao Tse Tung, did say that you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. ALl in the name of progress I guess. These folks just had to take one for the team. Keep us all moving “Forward”, right?

All I know is that if GW Bush had been responsible for Fast and Furious and the Bagenzi fiasco, there would be screaming from the rooftops for the AG’s head and impeachment for the President. Apparently Democrats like the criminals in charge of everything. And some wonder why the “secession” petitions at the White House are closing on 1 million signatures and growing.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yeah, right.

Watergate wasn’t a blip on the grand scheme of things. And Benghazi is a cover up just like Watergate, only worse. You remember Watergate, don’t you? How many died, again?

Ishii

Seriously. I am just going to put the dyed in the wool Democrats on ignore. They appear to be so blinded by the love of their ideology that attempts at rational conversation are pointless.

 

[oldcelt]

So, Richard Nixon was to be impeached for spying on a political rival. Obama can cause the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a US Border agent and the deaths of embassy personnel in Libya and he gets a pass? Democrats sincerely have their priorities WAY screwed up.

But then again, one of the heroes of the liberals/Progressives/Democrats, Mao Tse Tung, did say that you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. ALl in the name of progress I guess. These folks just had to take one for the team. Keep us all moving “Forward”, right?

All I know is that if GW Bush had been responsible for Fast and Furious and the Bagenzi fiasco, there would be screaming from the rooftops for the AG’s head and impeachment for the President. Apparently Democrats like the criminals in charge of everything. And some wonder why the “secession” petitions at the White House are closing on 1 million signatures and growing.

Scott, you managed three paragraphs without one fact. Just a bunch of wild and baseless accusations. Nixon was about to be impeached for obstruction of justice and Congress, Mao is not now, nor has he ever been a hero of the progressives and if the Democrats had wanted to wildly push for impeachment of Bush they could have launched a probe into the intelligence leading to the Iraq War.

Of course…none of that happened

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Scott, you managed three paragraphs without one fact. Just a bunch of wild and baseless accusations. Nixon was about to be impeached for obstruction of justice and Congress, Mao is not now, nor has he ever been a hero of the progressives and if the Democrats had wanted to wildly push for impeachment of Bush they could have launched a probe into the intelligence leading to the Iraq War.

Of course…none of that happened

The only ideologically bent group of people who quote Mao, Lenin, Castro, or Guevara come from the left, the Bastion and haven of Progressivism.

Nixon was impeached for using the powers of the Presidency to cover up political spying. No one died in the whole Watergate affair. If you deny the fact of that, you are more ideologically bent that I suspected.

 

[fix]

I didn’t say going to college is worthless. I think it’s very worthwhile, though there are certainly exceptions. But I am not as inclined as some to make assumptions about the comparative intelligence or fortitude of anyone, simply based on which college they went to.

I would add that most of us today are credentialed not educated. The world is full of credentialed people, as mentioned in the OP, without much evidence of true intelligence or moral correctness.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Where I live the people are working but they also receive government housing, education and health care. Most are young (under 30) and only have a high school education. They generally marry young and many have three or more children. Most belong to groups that are characterized as “minority” - African American, Latino, Asian. When we are at Mass the senior choir leader and sacristan are both African American. White people make up perhaps 25% of the congregation. It is a US military base.

My point is the Republicans are talking about the American population in a way that does not reflect the reality of the lives lived by most people, especially those under 35. Their comments do not reflect the reality of that most naturally conservative of bastions, the US military.

Romney’s comments reinforce the perception of many Americans that the Republicans have the interests of a super wealthy minority as their focus, and don’t see that the middle class and the young are struggling to make their way despite working hard. Instead he talks about the 47% and the “gifts” people receive.

The impression that is given is that the Republicans are actually the ones who feel entitled. Romney acted as if he was entitled to the presidency.

Wonderful post, kindness. Thx!

 

[Al_Moritz]

Wonderful post, kindness. Thx!

Seconded.

The alleged (theoretical, without significant practical results, at least on the federal level) ‘pro-life’ stance of the GOP is just an empty smokescreen to cover up the callousness and cold-heartedness of the remainder of their moral thinking.

It is a tragedy and a travesty that some Tea Party Catholics here also fall for that thinking which squarely collides with the social teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Seconded.

The alleged (theoretical, without significant practical results, at least on the federal level) ‘pro-life’ stance of the GOP is just an empty smokescreen to cover up the callousness and cold-heartedness of the remainder of their moral thinking.

It is a tragedy and a travesty that some Tea Party Catholics here also fall for that thinking which squarely collides with the social teaching of the Catholic Church.

*Papal nuncio Archbishop Vigano’s Nov. 4 speech keynoted the University of Notre Dame’s Institute for Church Life conference. He discussed martyrdom, persecution, and religious freedom, with a particular focus on the United States. He cited Catholics’ duties to be disciples of Christ, not elements of a political or secular ideology. He lamented the fact that many Catholics are publicly supporting “a major political party” that has “intrinsic evils among its basic principles.”

“There is a divisive strategy at work here, an intentional dividing of the Church; through this strategy, the body of the Church is weakened, and thus the Church can be more easily persecuted,” the nuncio said. Archbishop Vigano observed that some influential Catholic public officials and university professors are allied with forces opposed to the Church’s fundamental moral teachings on “critical issues” like abortion, population control, the redefinition of marriage, embryonic stem cell research and “problematic adoptions.” He said it is a “grave and major problem” when self-professed Catholic faculty at Catholic institutions are the sources of teachings that conflict with Church teaching on important policy issues rather than defend it.
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The issues that the Catholic bishops have identified in this [HHS] mandate are “very real” and “pose grave threats to the vitality of Catholicism in the United States,” Archbishop Vigano said.*

This excerpt from my thread in World News says it all. In the bolded section, Archbishop Vigano appears to disagree with your approach with definitiveness.

 

[irishpatrick]

Romney is in pain and he has it wrong. He lost because the GOP failed to get its vote out. It is as simple as that. All the theories and soul-searching and hand-wringing should stop. Millions of registered likely Republican voters decided NOT to vote. Had those voters casted ballots for Romney, he would be President-elect.

 

[fix]

Where I live the people are working but they also receive government housing, education and health care. Most are young (under 30) and only have a high school education. They generally marry young and many have three or more children. Most belong to groups that are characterized as “minority” - African American, Latino, Asian. When we are at Mass the senior choir leader and sacristan are both African American. White people make up perhaps 25% of the congregation. It is a US military base.

My point is the Republicans are talking about the American population in a way that does not reflect the reality of the lives lived by most people, especially those under 35. Their comments do not reflect the reality of that most naturally conservative of bastions, the US military.

Romney’s comments reinforce the perception of many Americans that the Republicans have the interests of a super wealthy minority as their focus, and don’t see that the middle class and the young are struggling to make their way despite working hard. Instead he talks about the 47% and the “gifts” people receive.

The impression that is given is that the Republicans are actually the ones who feel entitled. Romney acted as if he was entitled to the presidency.

They voted pro abortion and pro “gay”. That is not conservative or morally correct. The problem is not simply the so called message. The problem is the voters.

 

[oldcelt]

The only ideologically bent group of people who quote Mao, Lenin, Castro, or Guevara come from the left, the Bastion and haven of Progressivism.

Nixon was impeached for using the powers of the Presidency to cover up political spying. No one died in the whole Watergate affair. If you deny the fact of that, you are more ideologically bent that I suspected.

I see…because some college student engage in hero-worship, the Progressives are all lumped into their group?

That no one died in Watergate is irrelevant to the Benghazi situation. Unfortunately, the death and injury of embassy personnel is not unheard of. If there was a lapse in proper security measures in this case, then the people responsible will have to take a few lumps. However, nothing that has been speculated so far in any way rise to the level of a crime. Except, of course, for those who have been dealing in classified documents.

If you believe else-wise, then it is not me who has a problem with ideological bent.

 

[Seeker1961]

Where I live the people are working but they also receive government housing, education and health care. Most are young (under 30) and only have a high school education. They generally marry young and many have three or more children. Most belong to groups that are characterized as “minority” - African American, Latino, Asian. When we are at Mass the senior choir leader and sacristan are both African American. White people make up perhaps 25% of the congregation. It is a US military base.

My point is the Republicans are talking about the American population in a way that does not reflect the reality of the lives lived by most people, especially those under 35. Their comments do not reflect the reality of that most naturally conservative of bastions, the US military.

Romney’s comments reinforce the perception of many Americans that the Republicans have the interests of a super wealthy minority as their focus, and don’t see that the middle class and the young are struggling to make their way despite working hard. Instead he talks about the 47% and the “gifts” people receive.

The impression that is given is that the Republicans are actually the ones who feel entitled. Romney acted as if he was entitled to the presidency.

Sounds like my area too. People are working 40-70 hours a week, but still cannot afford the basics like housing and food without assistance because wages aren’t high enough to sustain a family. It’s pretty hard to see yourself as a “taker” when you can barely get 8 hours of sleep between shifts. God help you if you get sick, because you may not qualify for medical benefits, or the cost of them is such a large portion of your paycheck that you can’t afford them-and Lord know you don’t dare take a day off because there’s someone else standing in line to take your job when they fire you for missing work.

All this while everyone watches profits and salaries for CEO’s leap to 300 and 400 times the rate of the worker that has a significant impact on the success of that business. It’s no secret to anyone who can Google that since the 1970’s income growth for the working and middle classes has significantly lagged behind that of the smaller percentage of the wealthy, that’s in years where it hasn’t declined or remained flat.

People aren’t blind, they see what’s going on around them and they’re not happy about it. Working hard is supposed to give you a better life, not trap you in a cycle of work, work and more work with no hope of improvement. Romney was the human embodiment of that “rich guys finish first” storyline, and it cost him the White House.

 

[ProVobis]

All I know is that if GW Bush had been responsible for Fast and Furious and the Bagenzi fiasco, there would be screaming from the rooftops for the AG’s head and impeachment for the President. Apparently Democrats like the criminals in charge of everything. And some wonder why the “secession” petitions at the White House are closing on 1 million signatures and growing.

Actually there were screaming for Bush’s impeachment but Pelosi put an end to that.

 

[ProVobis]

Romney is in pain and he has it wrong. He lost because the GOP failed to get its vote out. It is as simple as that.

You can always blame Orca, the software that showed Romney easily winning so that they shouldn’t bother coming out to vote. Maybe the GOP should start learning some math and science.