Ron Paul Backs "Ground Zero Mosque," Splitting with Son Rand

[Sonic]

Or the Irish Republican Army?

Provisional Irish Republican Army… also known as the PIRA (which splint into uncontrolled terrorist splinter groups).

The Irish Republican Army of 1916 and the Irish Revolution were not terrorists.

 

[ProVobis]

I really don’t think that either Rand or Ron Paul, or Barack Obama have anything to say about the subject. Not a federal issue, a decision for the local zoning authority. The only reason I can think of for this location being selected is to deliberately create a situation and get coverage; another “Don’t taze me bro” incident.

Isn’t that the gist of what Ron Paul is saying here? It’s consistent with his philosophy and I’ll vote for him every chance I get.

 

[ProVobis]

I agree with the assessment of “baloney and bias”. The very first sentance reads, “Libertarian Congressman Ron Paul…” and that is completely false. While Paul, Sr. has libertarian roots he serves Congress as a Republican. He is, in fact, my own duly elected Representative in Congress.

You are lucky to have him. Libertarianism is an ideology as well as a party. He once was a member of the Libertarian Party but he became more effective joining the Republican Party. I can’t say I blame him. He has no trouble getting reelected the way things stand right now. His son is less of a libertarian though but the press keeps calling him that to appease the Tea Party or something like that.

 

[pnewton]

I’ve seen several courts strike down town zoning regs instituted to block mosques. Google ‘Palos Park’ and ‘mosque’.

It was Palos Heights and I can not find where it has been to court yet. In any case, there are hundreds of churches. I stated earlier that I could see the point if churches or synagogues were permitted, but not a mosque.

 

[pnewton]

Isn’t that the gist of what Ron Paul is saying here? It’s consistent with his philosophy and I’ll vote for him every chance I get.

I always have! He has been my Rep. every time he has ran and even delivered my oldest son way back when he was in between. I guess I am a little biased.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

To add to my previous statement, I would like to say that despite how I feel about Islam and a Mosque near GZ, I do NOT think the state or federal government has a right to prevent this from happening. They have their building permits, they have their contractors, it’s their right to build it. That said, I do understand why people would object to it, but if the government steps in to prevent this, it will be a bad move, and an overplay of their power.

I think so, too. But let us also hope that the group building the mosque can be persuaded (through the good offices of Archbishop Dolan) to build elsewhere. If the mosque gets built in this place, the interplay between mosque and Ground Zero could become a magnet for radicals on both sides–and could become what amounts to a stage in the most heavily-watched two block area in one of the most media-saturated cities on earth.

A stage for the enactment of political street theater by radical protesters, representing the extremes of jihadism and anti-Islam. And I can see this becoming an annual event every September 11–each year worse than the last.

 

[RACJ]

Good for Rand Paul, who obviously sympathises with the pain that Ground Zero family members feel. He has the sense to know that this mosque represents conquest, and is acid splashed in the face of an attacked America. He has much more sense than his dad, luckily for Ky. Rob

 

[josephdavid]

Good for Rand Paul, who obviously sympathises with the pain that Ground Zero family members feel. He has the sense to know that this mosque represents conquest, and is acid splashed in the face of an attacked America. He has much more sense than his dad, luckily for Ky. Rob

Curious if he has sympothy of those of the muslim faith and their families who had died in those towers on 9/11?

 

[josephdavid]

Good for Rand Paul, who obviously sympathises with the pain that Ground Zero family members feel. He has the sense to know that this mosque represents conquest, and is acid splashed in the face of an attacked America. He has much more sense than his dad, luckily for Ky. Rob

Oh… and it is not a mosque they are building.

 

[josephdavid]

SedesDomi:
Love it…This issue of the community center is just another wedge issue (aka Distraction) towards the real problems and that is jobless economy. Continued outsourscing. While we deal with 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment Rights for everyone but Muslims because they are so evil or National Enquirer type issues of “Is Pres. Obama a Muslim”… We take our eyes off the goal and that is to be competitive in the global market and we continue to have high unemployment, forclosures and demand due to no or at best falling wages.

No wealth (wages, cash) equals no demand. No demand equals no growth.

While we deal with these stupid issues China, Germany, France, Russia, UK, Canada, Brazil, India are cleaning our clock and pouring their imports into our country whilst our exports are stagnant. Some of the countries I mentioned are called by some “Socialist-Marxist” countries. Pay attention to Russia. The Big Bear is sleeping no more.

I love Rep. Ron Paul and this is why I wrote him in for my vote in 2008.

Thank you Rep. Paul for telling it like it is.

 

[Sonic]

Alan Keyes sounds off on Ron Paul’s support of the GZM.

Ron Paul is wrong, GZM is not a Muslim right

According to Newsmax “Ron Paul unleashed a lengthy and at times angry statement on his website Friday that supports the rights of Muslims to build what’s become known as the “Ground Zero Mosque.” As they read about it, I’m sure not a few of his admirers will disagree with him. But as usual they’ll dismiss it as another aberrant outburst from someone whose views they otherwise applaud.

If Newsmax is right about his feelings, though, it makes sense to ask why he feels anger at the people opposing the GZM project. I think it’s because he accepts the view that “this is all about hate and Islamaphobia. We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.”

More of Keyes’e commentary here…

source: loyaltoliberty.com/WordPress/2010/08/ron-paul-is-wrong-gzm-is-not-a-muslim-right/

 

[ishii]

This is not about property rights, or “islamophobia” or anything else Ron Paul is spouting. It is nothing more than lots of upset citizens in New York (and elsewhere) trying to shame the Islamic group into not building the mosque so close to ground zero through vigorous use of their right to free speech. Would the people of Hawaii countenance the building of a pro-Japanese “Tenno” Shinto shrine next to a WW2 memorial? No, they would be up in arms - and rightly so. Wouldn’t there be an outcry in Japan if we built a monument to the Enola Gay in the city of Hiroshima? And rightly so. The Cordoba Intiative who are planning to build a mosque so close to ground zero are doing so as an act of deliberate provocation. We have every right to speak out against this.

Ishii

 

[josephdavid]

This is not about property rights, or “islamophobia” or anything else Ron Paul is spouting. It is nothing more than lots of upset citizens in New York (and elsewhere) trying to shame the Islamic group into not building the mosque so close to ground zero through vigorous use of their right to free speech. Would the people of Hawaii countenance the building of a pro-Japanese “Tenno” Shinto shrine next to a WW2 memorial? No, they would be up in arms - and rightly so. Wouldn’t there be an outcry in Japan if we built a monument to the Enola Gay in the city of Hiroshima? And rightly so. The Cordoba Intiative who are planning to build a mosque so close to ground zero are doing so as an act of deliberate provocation. We have every right to speak out against this.

Ishii

Actually there is a Shinto Shrine near Pearl Harbor. And in Hiroshima you have the Urakami Cathedral which is a memorial and a symbol towards the first atomic weapon.

Lastly it is not a mosque. It is a community center which is a couple blocks from the mosque. Now the mosque, is a couple blocks from Ground Zero. Should they move the mosque too?

 

[ishii]

Actually there is a Shinto Shrine near Pearl Harbor. And in Hiroshima you have the Urakami Cathedral which is a memorial and a symbol towards the first atomic weapon.

Lastly it is not a mosque. It is a community center which is a couple blocks from the mosque. Now the mosque, is a couple blocks from Ground Zero. Should they move the mosque too?

You’re not even close. Let me re-phrase since apparently I wasn’t clear enough. Would the Hawaiians support a ***pro-militarist era Japanese shinto shrine ***near a WW2 memorial? No, they wouldn’t.

Would the Japanese support the construction of a*** monument to the Enola Gay in Hiroshima?*** No, they wouldn’t.

You ask should they move the mosque that’s already near ground zero. Was it there before the 9/11 attacks? If so, then why would we even be discussing its removal? So your question is irrelevant. So now they’re calling it a “community center”? That changes nothing. The proposed building of this mosque is an insult to everyone who lost a loved one in 9/11. If the Imam in charge of this is any kind of moderate (as he’s being portrayed) then he will offer to build the mosque a further distance away from ground zero.

Ishii

 

[Michael_C]

Dr. Paul remains consistent as usual. Sticking up for people’s rights and using the constituion as his guide.

What other rights should we deny people based on how we feel?

Bill of rights - Constitution. It’s supposed to be the guideline to limit governments intrusion into our lives.

 

[scipio337]

Dr. Paul remains consistent as usual. Sticking up for people’s rights and using the constituion as his guide.

What other rights should we deny people based on how we feel?

Bill of rights - Constitution. It’s supposed to be the guideline to limit governments intrusion into our lives.

And those calling for the government (state or federal) to step in to prevent the building of this community center (with mosque) are…

where??

 

[Michael_C]

And those calling for the government (state or federal) to step in to prevent the building of this community center (with mosque) are…

where??

…on the wrong side of the issue. Private property, religious freedom and the right to assemble are protected rights.

 

[Suudy]

…on the wrong side of the issue. Private property, religious freedom and the right to assemble are protected rights.

You answered “why” not “where”.

 

[RACJ]

Curious if he has sympothy of those of the muslim faith and their families who had died in those towers on 9/11?

I'm sure that Rand has more sympathy for those Muslims than the hijackers who destroyed the Twin Towers and murdered 3000 souls, and the millions who *celebrated* their "success". BTW, this "community center" includes a Victory Mosque. I can't believe how you hard leftists simply cannot believe the ugly truth. :shrug: Rob

 

[RACJ]

Dr. Paul remains consistent as usual. Sticking up for people’s rights and using the constituion as his guide.

What other rights should we deny people based on how we feel?

Bill of rights - Constitution. It’s supposed to be the guideline to limit governments intrusion into our lives.

I would "feel" very angry if I was just kicked in the teeth by an man who would sooner see me dead. And I would NOT kowtow to his subsequent demands. :doh2: Rob