Sacred Traditions That Supposedly Contradict The Bible

[Church_Militant]

2tim3:16-17 says I can be complete using scripture and equipped for every good work.

But that verse in no way even implies that the scriptures are all sufficient.

2nd Timothy 2:15 Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Notice here again that St. Paul does not tell St. Timothy to study only the scriptures.

He does not say so to the church at Thessalonica.
2nd Thessalonians 2:15: So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. and 3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

2nd Timothy 3:8 shows that St. Paul accepted the teachings of Sacred Tradition. 8: As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; Can you find those names in the OT? I don’t think so…they are not there. But Sacred Tradition supplies them.

If then, St. Paul (and St. Jude, See verses 9, 14 & 15 which quote non-canonical Jewish Traditional texts.) accepted Sacred Tradition, then who are modern n-Cs to reject them based on their interpretations of the New Testament?

It just doesn’t wash Newbie…

 

[Michael_Francis]

New thread split off and this one is reopened.

 

[RNRobert]

There is that pesky sacred tradition that I don’t follow

St Paul tells the Thessalonians in his second epistle (ch 2, vs 15) to “stand fast to the traditions you have been taught, either by word of mouth or by letter.”

 

[newbie1234]

But that verse in no way even implies that the scriptures are all sufficient.

2nd Timothy 2:15 Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Notice here again that St. Paul does not tell St. Timothy to study only the scriptures.

He does not say so to the church at Thessalonica.
2nd Thessalonians 2:15: So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. and 3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

2nd Timothy 3:8 shows that St. Paul accepted the teachings of Sacred Tradition. 8: As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; Can you find those names in the OT? I don’t think so…they are not there. But Sacred Tradition supplies them.

If then, St. Paul (and St. Jude, See verses 9, 14 & 15 which quote non-canonical Jewish Traditional texts.) accepted Sacred Tradition, then who are modern n-Cs to reject them based on their interpretations of the New Testament?

It just doesn’t wash Newbie…

I have explained 2tim3:16-17 many times.
please let it go.
If you feel comfortable with your tradition, by all means follow it.
But I cannot follow any tradition that makes Mary immaculate, and assumed, and the papacy infallible.
So if I cannot accept this part of the Sacred Tradition, I must reject the rest. I cannot pick and choose which part to believe in. Either it is all true or I have to reject it.
That is the way the church set it up.

 

[newbie1234]

What exactly does that mean?

Open a bible and read 1Corinthians 3:11-15.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I have explained 2tim3:16-17 many times.
please let it go.
If you feel comfortable with your tradition, by all means follow it.
But I cannot follow any tradition that makes Mary immaculate, and assumed, and the papacy infallible.
So if I cannot accept this part of the Sacred Tradition, I must reject the rest. I cannot pick and choose which part to believe in. Either it is all true or I have to reject it.
That is the way the church set it up.

You just pick and choose… you reject the traditions which Paul tell us to “hold fast the traditions both oral and written…”

 

[runandsew]

Open a bible and read 1Corinthians 3:11-15.

I don’t own a bible, the Church doesn’t want me to read it.
Maybe I’ll look online.
Actually, I was hoping for your interpretation of what it is sayng.

 

[NotWorthy]

I don’t own a bible, the Church doesn’t want me to read it.
Maybe I’ll look online.
Actually, I was hoping for your interpretation of what it is sayng.

que?

Ahhhhhh, sarcasm…

 

[newbie1234]

I don’t own a bible, the Church doesn’t want me to read it.
Maybe I’ll look online.
Actually, I was hoping for your interpretation of what it is sayng.

My interpretation could be faulty.
What does the magisterium say?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

My interpretation could be faulty.
What does the magisterium say?

Don’t worry, we are perfectly aware that it might be faulty since you are not infallible. I don’t think this should matter that much to you since you could be wrong in anything else you claimed in this or other thread. So we are still very much interested in hearing how you interpret that passage.

 

[newbie1234]

Don’t worry, we are perfectly aware that it might be faulty since you are not infallible. I don’t think this should matter that much to you since you could be wrong in anything else you claimed in this or other thread. So we are still very much interested in hearing how you interpret that passage.

I’ve already explained what it means.
After we are justified or saved by grace through faith,
We begin the process of sanctification through our works.
Our works will be judged as if through fire. v13
For the works that endure the fire, we will be rewarded.v14
If our works are burned up or worthless we will sufffer loss but not lose our salvation.v15

 

[Church_Militant]

I have explained 2tim3:16-17 many times.
please let it go.
If you feel comfortable with your tradition, by all means follow it.
But I cannot follow any tradition that makes Mary immaculate, and assumed, and the papacy infallible.
So if I cannot accept this part of the Sacred Tradition, I must reject the rest. I cannot pick and choose which part to believe in. Either it is all true or I have to reject it.
That is the way the church set it up.

Yet, I have shown you that the authors of the NT accepted and passed on Sacred Tradition from outside of the Bible.

Doesn’t that conflict with your belief that everything that we believe has to come from the pages of the Bible?

I’m sorry Newbie, but I can’t let that go. If you tell me that you reject Sacred Tradition and cite things that no more conflict with it than the passages that I have cited then you have to ask yourself if what you have been taught since leaving our most holy faith is true or not.

The discrepancy is in the interpretations coming form outside the Catholic Church my friend…not Catholics.

I believe that you need to think and pray over that and be open to the guidance of the Holy Spirit regardless of where it leads.
Pax tecum,

 

[newbie1234]

Yet, I have shown you that the authors of the NT accepted and passed on Sacred Tradition from outside of the Bible.

Doesn’t that conflict with your belief that everything that we believe has to come from the pages of the Bible?

I’m sorry Newbie, but I can’t let that go. If you tell me that you reject Sacred Tradition and cite things that no more conflict with it than the passages that I have cited then you have to ask yourself if what you have been taught since leaving our most holy faith is true or not.

The discrepancy is in the interpretations coming form outside the Catholic Church my friend…not Catholics.

I believe that you need to think and pray over that and be open to the guidance of the Holy Spirit regardless of where it leads.
Pax tecum,

I pray for guidance every day. I pray for boldness and the correct words when posting on this site.
I’ve never been led back to the CC.
If anything, by listening to the responses, I am even more secure in my small non denominational church. I can honestly say that in the last couple of years, my faith has grown tremendously. Do you think I had a street ministry when I was catholic?
Do you think I was in the Word for over an hour a day or more when I was a catholic?
You think I went to church three times a week?
Not a chance.

 

[NotWorthy]

I pray for guidance every day. I pray for boldness and the correct words when posting on this site.
I’ve never been led back to the CC.
If anything, by listening to the responses, I am even more secure in my small non denominational church. I can honestly say that in the last couple of years, my faith has grown tremendously. Do you think I had a street ministry when I was catholic?
Do you think I was in the Word for over an hour a day or more when I was a catholic?
You think I went to church three times a week?
Not a chance.

Numerous people have left the Church only to grow in faith and come back stronger than ever. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll watch you on Marcus Grodi’s “Coming Home” show. (Sorry, little Catholic humor there)

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

BTW, God bless you in your strength, my friend!

 

[newbie1234]

Numerous people have left the Church only to grow in faith and come back stronger than ever. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll watch you on Marcus Grodi’s “Coming Home” show. (Sorry, little Catholic humor there)

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

BTW, God bless you in your strength, my friend!

Thank you for the blessing.
The Lord does work in mysterious ways.
One day He led me to sell everything and move to Vegas. And here I am.
I’ve been blessed continually.

 

[LilyM]

I pray for guidance every day. I pray for boldness and the correct words when posting on this site.
I’ve never been led back to the CC.
If anything, by listening to the responses, I am even more secure in my small non denominational church. I can honestly say that in the last couple of years, my faith has grown tremendously. Do you think I had a street ministry when I was catholic?
Do you think I was in the Word for over an hour a day or more when I was a catholic?
You think I went to church three times a week?
Not a chance.

I AM a Catholic, I DO go to church FIVE times (minimum) a week, usually it’s daily. I DO read the Bible at least 45 minutes or so each day … unlike you I try to UNDERSTAND what I read according to the CHURCH WHICH WROTE AND PRODUCED IT AND ALONE HAS AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET IT!!!

Not some who-knows-who with absolutely no authority - no guarantee of protection by the Holy Spirit in its interpretation.

WHY did the Ethiopian ask Philip to help him understand the section of Isaiah he was reading? Why didn’t Philip say ‘you’re a genuine guy seeking truth, read it yourself and the Holy Spirit will work its mojo on you so that magically, by the mere reading, you’ll understand it’.

It just doesn’t work that way, mate. Scripture is there to be interpreted by those who have APOSTOLIC authority - which definitely ain’t you and ain’t your two-bit operation.

Most priests would read at least an hour a day and I know plenty who encourage their congregations to as well. I also know plenty of other Catholics who DO also attend Church daily and know their Bible better than you seem to.

As for street ministries, what do you think Mother Teresa’s entire order of nuns does? Caritas? The St Vincent de Paul society? (all Catholic charities) Between them they’ve probably helped more people just today than you or your small time church could ever dream of helping in your lifetimes.

You were a slack and incredibly ignorant Catholic. There are plenty who aren’t. There are probably loads of members of your church who are slack and ignorant as well. If there’s fault anywhere it’s in your own ignorance and not in the Catholic Church.

 

[NotWorthy]

Would this be a good time to bring up the teaching, “Blessed are the poor in Spirit”?

If you guys have a strong faith, it will show in your posts, not in your boasts.

 

[newbie1234]

I AM a Catholic, I DO go to church FIVE times (minimum) a week, I read the Bible at least 45 minutes or so each day … most priests would read at least an hour a day and I know plenty who encourage their congregations to as well.

As for street ministries, what do you think Mother Teresa’s entire order of nuns does? Caritas? The St Vincent de Paul society? (all Catholic charities) Between them they’ve probably helped more people just today than you or your small time church could ever dream of helping in your lifetimes.

You were a slack Catholic. I’m not. Don’t blame the church which you wilfully ignore and deliberately misunderstand.

First of all, I am no Mother Teresa.
I am just an ordinary born again believer.
I am not boasting about what I do.
If anything, I should be doing more for the kingdom of God, much more.
I am just illustrating how my faith is different from when I was a catholic.

 

[LilyM]

First of all, I am no Mother Teresa.

Aah, but if you were Catholic, you ***could ***be - that’s the WHOLE point and the beauty and wonder of being a member of the one Church founded by Christ.

 

[newbie1234]

I AM a Catholic, I DO go to church FIVE times (minimum) a week, usually it’s daily. I DO read the Bible at least 45 minutes or so each day … unlike you I try to UNDERSTAND what I read according to the CHURCH WHICH WROTE AND PRODUCED IT AND ALONE HAS AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET IT!!!

Not some who-knows-who with absolutely no authority - no guarantee of protection by the Holy Spirit in its interpretation.

WHY did the Ethiopian ask Philip to help him understand the section of Isaiah he was reading? Why didn’t Philip say ‘you’re a genuine guy seeking truth, read it yourself and the Holy Spirit will work its mojo on you so that magically, by the mere reading, you’ll understand it’.

It just doesn’t work that way, mate. Scripture is there to be interpreted by those who have APOSTOLIC authority - which definitely ain’t you and ain’t your two-bit operation.

Most priests would read at least an hour a day and I know plenty who encourage their congregations to as well. I also know plenty of other Catholics who DO also attend Church daily and know their Bible better than you seem to.

As for street ministries, what do you think Mother Teresa’s entire order of nuns does? Caritas? The St Vincent de Paul society? (all Catholic charities) Between them they’ve probably helped more people just today than you or your small time church could ever dream of helping in your lifetimes.

You were a slack and incredibly ignorant Catholic. There are plenty who aren’t. There are probably loads of members of your church who are slack and ignorant as well. If there’s fault anywhere it’s in your own ignorance and not in the Catholic Church.

I don’t think the church wrote the bible.
I think it was inspired by God.
The church didn’t write anything.