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newbie1234
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I doubt I could be Mother Teresa even if I was a catholic.
I am a male, you know.
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I am a male, you know.
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LilyM
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The church figured out which writings were inspired and which were to be included in it. My church, not yours.I don’t think the church wrote the bible.
I think it was inspired by God.
The church didn’t write anything.
And you dare to say we don’t know how to interpret it?
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newbie1234
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God’s Word would have been produced EXACTLY as He willed it no matter if the Romans, or Greeks, or the CC or even the CHINESE were in power at the time.The church figured out which writings were inspired and which were to be included in it. My church, not yours.
And you dare to say we don’t know how to interpret it?
God didn’t need your church ‘to figure out’ anything.
It is God’s Word, not the word of the Catholic church.
When you realize that, you will realize that you are not the only ones capable of interpreting it.
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LilyM
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Umm, no.God’s Word would have been produced EXACTLY as He willed it no matter if the Romans, or Greeks, or the CC or even the CHINESE were in power at the time.
God didn’t need your church ‘to figure out’ anything.
It is God’s Word, not the word of the Catholic church.
When you realize that, you will realize that you are not the only ones capable of interpreting it.
Jesus didn’t say ‘the gates of hell will not prevail against the Greeks’ or ‘against the Chinese’ or ‘against anyone who wants to try to interpret or determine the composition of this book’. He ONLY said they will not prevail against the Church founded on Peter and the other Apostles. Which ain’t yours.
Sorry to disappoint, but the ONE Apostolic and Catholic Church IS the only party protected by Jesus’ guarantee of freedom from error in its teaching.
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newbie1234
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That teaching of infallibility is false.Umm, no.
Jesus didn’t say ‘the gates of hell will not prevail against the Greeks’ or ‘against the Chinese’ or ‘against anyone who wants to try to interpret or determine the composition of this book’. He ONLY said they will not prevail against the Church founded on Peter and the other Apostles. Which ain’t yours.
Sorry to disappoint, but the ONE Apostolic and Catholic Church IS the only party protected by Jesus’ guarantee of freedom from error in its teaching.
Do you have any bible verses that say that the church is infallible in its interpretation of the bible.
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NotWorthy
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And I will send you the Holy Spirit to guide you in all truth.That teaching of infallibility is false.
Do you have any bible verses that say that the church is infallible in its interpretation of the bible.
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NotWorthy
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OOPS! Trick question!That teaching of infallibility is false.
Do you have any bible verses that say that the church is infallible in its interpretation of the bible.
Jesus never said He’d give us a bible, so He never would have said we’d infallibly interpret the Bible.
But to your point,
“What you bind on earth, is bound in heaven. What you loose on earth is loosed in heaven”.
“I will send you the Holy Spirit to guide you in all Truths”.
“… the church, the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth”
“If those 2 or 3 can’t convince him, take it to the Church” (How can the church decide if it can’t determine the truth).
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lak611
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The Church decided which books belong in the Bible. Here’s a great free MP3 that explains the process.biblechristiansociety.com/download/mp3/which_came_first_church_or_bible.mp3I don’t think the church wrote the bible.
I think it was inspired by God.
The church didn’t write anything.
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LilyM
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Are you serious? I’ve already given it. How on earth could a church that officially teaches error in any respect POSSIBLY prevail against the gates of hell? Do you concede at least that the true Church of Christ cannot possibly teach error?That teaching of infallibility is false.
Do you have any bible verses that say that the church is infallible in its interpretation of the bible.
And based on the SAME verse, the Church against which the gates of hell will not prevail must of necessity be one which has existed since the time of the Apostles. If it has at any time since the Apostolic Age fallen into heresy or error then Christ’s promise is worthless and the gates of hell have prevailed.
That leaves two candidates - the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox. Gotta be one or the other, bud.
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NotWorthy
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And the choir sings, “Amen!”Are you serious? I’ve already given it. How on earth could a church that officially teaches error in any respect POSSIBLY prevail against the gates of hell? Do you concede at least that the true Church of Christ cannot possibly teach error?
And based on the SAME verse, the Church against which the gates of hell will not prevail must of necessity be one which has existed since the time of the Apostles. If it has at any time since the Apostolic Age fallen into heresy or error then Christ’s promise is worthless and the gates of hell have prevailed.
That leaves two candidates - the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox. Gotta be one or the other, bud.
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newbie1234
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Have you ever done any research into all the corrupt popes over the last two thousand years?Are you serious? I’ve already given it. How on earth could a church that officially teaches error in any respect POSSIBLY prevail against the gates of hell? Do you concede at least that the true Church of Christ cannot possibly teach error?
And based on the SAME verse, the Church against which the gates of hell will not prevail must of necessity be one which has existed since the time of the Apostles. If it has at any time since the Apostolic Age fallen into heresy or error then Christ’s promise is worthless and the gates of hell have prevailed.
That leaves two candidates - the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox. Gotta be one or the other, bud.
Look up Boniface viii. Read some comments he made about the church. He was accused of being a sodomite a sorcerer and a heretic.
Clement V Nepotism
Sergius III illegitimate son
BenedictIX
The list goes on and on and on and on
And you say the church cannot teach error?
What about the great schism?
Ever research how many popes have been murdered?
There were some EXTREMELY dark times in the Holy Roman Catholic Church in the last two thousand years.
Do some research and then ask me if the church can teach in error.
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Chancellare
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newbie1234;1904054:
Notworthy,You read, “I can be complete by just using Scripture and nothing else”.
It DOES NOT say that.
The one you quoted was a quote from Newbie1234 which I was refuting. That’s what I was trying to say: that the Bible actually DOES NOT SAY THAT. The software did not work properly.
Friendly fire. It’s ok, my mistake.
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newbie1234
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Immaculate Conception -ERRORAre you serious? I’ve already given it. How on earth could a church that officially teaches error in any respect POSSIBLY prevail against the gates of hell? Do you concede at least that the true Church of Christ cannot possibly teach error?
And based on the SAME verse, the Church against which the gates of hell will not prevail must of necessity be one which has existed since the time of the Apostles. If it has at any time since the Apostolic Age fallen into heresy or error then Christ’s promise is worthless and the gates of hell have prevailed.
That leaves two candidates - the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox. Gotta be one or the other, bud.
Papal Infallibility-error
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lak611
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There is a difference between infallible teaching and impeccible. Infallible means the Pope cannot teach error; it does not mean he cannot sin personally. Impeccible means unable to sin, which does not apply to any Pope. They all commit sins in their personal lives, but they cannot teach anything false to the Church.Have you ever done any research into all the corrupt popes over the last two thousand years?
Look up Boniface viii. Read some comments he made about the church. He was accused of being a sodomite a sorcerer and a heretic.
Clement V Nepotism
Sergius III illegitimate son
BenedictIX
The list goes on and on and on and on
And you say the church cannot teach error?
What about the great schism?
Ever research how many popes have been murdered?
There were some EXTREMELY dark times in the Holy Roman Catholic Church in the last two thousand years.
Do some research and then ask me if the church can teach in error.
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LilyM
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What error has the Church taught though? And on what do you base your claim to know that the church HAS taught error?Have you ever done any research into all the corrupt popes over the last two thousand years?
Look up Boniface viii. Read some comments he made about the church. He was accused of being a sodomite a sorcerer and a heretic.
Clement V Nepotism
Sergius III illegitimate son
BenedictIX
The list goes on and on and on and on
And you say the church cannot teach error?
What about the great schism?
Ever research how many popes have been murdered?
There were some EXTREMELY dark times in the Holy Roman Catholic Church in the last two thousand years.
Do some research and then ask me if the church can teach in error.
You’ve given me a list of a handful of sinful Popes (about par for the course considering the Papacy has been around for 2,000 years give or take - and par for the course percentage wise for the leaders of any church).
You’ve given an example of schism - as in there were men who FALSELY, for political reasons, claimed to be Pope. Resolved. There is no longer any doubt as to Benedict XVI being Pope.
And Popes were murdered? Big whoop-de-do. Christ, the apostles and the martyrs were also murdered, what does that prove about them or what they taught? You say that like it proves they were evil.
None of what you’ve said proves anything in regard to the gates of hell prevailing against the Church. Prove to me that the gates of hell have prevailed against it.
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Chancellare
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“I don’t think the church wrote the bible”?I don’t think the church wrote the bible.
I think it was inspired by God.
The church didn’t write anything.
You must be kidding.
The writers of the 27 books(using protestant arithmetic) in the new testament were Christians composed of partly the Apostles themselves and those who received instructions from the Apostles and their successors. How can you say they are not the Church? Are you disenfranchising Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?
“I think it was inspired by God”?
You must be a plasma scientist. Because you try to distort God’s inspiration to create matter (The Book) out of direct energy amplification and radiation (Inspiration) straight out.
“The church did not write anything”?
Of course a building cannot write. But are you saying those who wrote the new testament did it outside the Catholic Church that was the only church established by Christ? Are you saying that the Bishops and scholars who convened from 1st to 3rd century to determine which books are inspired and which were not were not church people?
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Chancellare
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The Sacred Tradition is of different species. So there is no point to compare in terms of “whose word” it is.I have a question:
Is Sacred Tradition the Word of God or the word of man?
On the other hand, one needs a better understanding of Sacred Tradition before arguing against it.
John Newman, an Anglican, wrote the Development of Doctrine: "It is quite evident that this passage(refering to 2Tim3:16-17) furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable for these four ends, still it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle [Paul] requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy.
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newbie1234
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My bible has an old Testament written by Moses, David, Solomon etc. Were they part of the Roman Catholic Church?“I don’t think the church wrote the bible”?
You must be kidding.
The writers of the 27 books(using protestant arithmetic) in the new testament were Christians composed of partly the Apostles themselves and those who received instructions from the Apostles and their successors. How can you say they are not the Church? Are you disenfranchising Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?
“I think it was inspired by God”?
You must be a plasma scientist. Because you try to distort God’s inspiration to create matter (The Book) out of direct energy amplification and radiation (Inspiration) straight out.
“The church did not write anything”?
Of course a building cannot write. But are you saying those who wrote the new testament did it outside the Catholic Church that was the only church established by Christ? Are you saying that the Bishops and scholars who convened from 1st to 3rd century to determine which books are inspired and which were not were not church people?
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Unitas
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Do you have any bible verses that says sola scriptura is an infallible interpretation?Do you have any bible verses that say that the church is infallible in its interpretation of the bible.
Didn’t think so.
Before examining someone’s else’s biblical eror, perhaps you should look at the double-standards of your own.
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Chancellare
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Since you jumped to OT, let me jump with you: Is OT part of your Bible? Who told you it’s part of Inspired writings?My bible has an old Testament written by Moses, David, Solomon etc. Were they part of the Roman Catholic Church?
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