Safe, Affordable Family Vehicle?

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Peace-bwu:
yellow vehicles are supposed to be the safest color, and even more visible than white. Yellow screams caution to the other drivers. I only know this because I’m a bit of a safety freek.
I guess this explains why some European countries now have bright yellow ambulances with purple graphics on them. I tried to find a photo, but no luck. Anyway, they are very hard to look at for any length of time!
 
We’ve been pleased w/ our Saturn. Saturn makes a sedan, wagon, mini van and SUV.

—KCT
 
Word of caution - check the gas mileage.

With current gas prices you really do not want a gas guzzler.
 
Well. It depends.

How much driving do you do? Do you use the car for commuting? If you don’t drive a lot, you could afford to buy a gas guzzler. If you carry a lot of stuff from time to time, you might want a big trunk. If you drive over potholed roads, you might want a heavier car.

If you keep your cars for a long time, then something with a steel frame, because once a unit-body on a “conventional” or compact car rusts out, that’s the end of it. But a steel frame will last 30 years. Not too many cars with steel frames.

If you do a lot of Interstate Highway driving or in a very hilly area, then you want an engine that will allow you to accelerate to highway speeds quickly or that will get you up a hill without rolling to a stop before it gets to the top. A big V-8 engine will also turn more slowly and wear out more slowly than a little 4-cylinder.

A gently used car will generally save a bundle on the initial purchase price. One of our cars was purchased at a Lincoln dealer. Because of the dealer’s reputation, they only took in primo cars. It was a Mercury traded in by a real-estate lady; meticulously maintained because she had to keep a good image with customers. Large enough to use for hauling family stuff, and for camping trips. Comfortable on trips. It had 50,000 miles on it and we put about another 160,000 on it. Loved that car. Very quiet. Right after we got it, I heard a faint “clinking” sound. [sigh.] Listened very carefully and traced the sound. The noise was coming from the links on my wrist watch!!

Good luck to you in your quest.
 
I would caution anyone considering a Ford to read about the recent problems with some Ford vehicles catching fire. These fires can occur hours after the vehicle has been turned off and left unattended (like in your garage at night!). Many people have had their Ford vehicle burn to a crisp and some have also lost their homes and even their lives. Ford has issued a massive recall in response to this problem but it’s too late for some people.

About a month ago I called a guy about getting a trailer hitch installed on my wife’s car. This guy basically works out of his truck and mentioned that “things are a little crazy right now because my truck (spontaneously) caught fire last week and I lost all my paperwork”. I asked him what kind of truck he had. Answer? Ford Expedition.

Of course, these fires happen in a very small percentage of vehicles so your chance of being affected is remote but personally I’m not going to take any more chances on Ford (we own a 2001 Escape).

You can easily Google information about this for yourself if you are interested. Here is one such link.

consumeraffairs.com/automotive/ford_fires.html
 
Can’t go wrong with a certified used Honda. Great value for the money. Regarding an eralier post that you get more bang for your buck with American cars: simply not true. Also, American car parts are mainly made overseas.

But anyway, Honda or Toyota are your best bet. 1 or 2 years old is the route to go; no need to eat the depreciation. The only American vehicles I would buy are minivans or trucks.
 
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BristolBane:
About a month ago I called a guy about getting a trailer hitch installed on my wife’s car. This guy basically works out of his truck and mentioned that “things are a little crazy right now because my truck (spontaneously) caught fire last week and I lost all my paperwork”. ** I asked him what kind of truck he had. Answer? Ford Expedition.**
Of course, these fires happen in a very small percentage of vehicles so your chance of being affected is remote but personally I’m not going to take any more chances on Ford (we own a 2001 Escape).

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In my line of work, we call those vehicles Ford Explosions 😃
 
I’m not a big car person, and I’m a little biased toward Daimler-Chrysler products, but I am amazed at the thought that American cars are unreliable. Jeeps are extremely reliable, and they hold their value very well. My family has had several Grand Cherokees, a Cherokee and a Wrangler. They are wonderful, safe, and reliable vehicles. My husband totaled my Wrangler, should have been seriously injured, and walked away. The state trooper behind him, who saw the accident, thought he was going to be looking at a fatal accident. There were several others at the same spot that day (black ice). I was t-bones in my Plymouth Breeze in the drivers door (same as the Intrepid) and again, I was not at all injured, just very shaken up.

Anyway, I know my husband said Consumer Reports are a little iffy when it comes to car ratings. He’ll probably jump in here soon. He usually does with the car threads. I’ll let him give you the details. They apparently were sued several times over setting up specific car tests to fail. (And I know he’ll have something to say to Cargo about GM and Ford making the world’s best trucks. We’re a Dodge family…what can I say? :cool: )

Along with Paramidicgirl I recommend checking out the NHTSA, nut just because you want to know how safe the car is (of course) but because those are the ratings the insurance company will go by when setting your premiums.

So there’s my :twocents: for what it’s worth.
 
IMHO what ever you choose needs to have four doors so you can get the baby in and out without breaking you back.

Also bring the baby seat you are using and make sure it is a good fit and easy to remove and replace. The car seats and you will be very good friends for the next seven or eight years if you only have the one baby LOL. As the family grows you don’t want to keep replacing the cars. We made sure three careseats, boosters etc fit in every car we owned. Hence the mini van.
 
Abby, you mentioned liking SUV’s other than the gas mileage issue. Have you looked at the Toyota Highlander Hybrid? We were at the Toyota dealer a couple of weeks ago and they had one. If I remember correctly, it got 33 mpg, which is hard to beat for a car that can seat 7.
 
Island Oak:
Just was out today looking at cars…focusing on, among other things, side-curtain air bags to promote safety of backseat passengers (kiddos). From what little looking I have done this is not something commonly available in many vehicles and I am past the mini-van stage of my life (have heard the Honda Odyssey has them). So far Volvo, Land Rover, Infinity and Lexus SUV models are ones I am aware that have them–but they are not cheap. I will be watching for any posts from any one better informed.
Side curtain airbags are available in every vehicle that Chrysler and Dodge make including the Neon.
 
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cargopilot:
Buy a quality American car. Today that means only Ford or GM.

And before others ‘correct’ me by reminding me that the foreign makes are assembled here, let me point out that all the good jobs as well as the years of replacement parts profits go back overseas. Just because a Honda, Toyota or V-Dubb is made here doesn’t make it American. It’s not.

If you don’t care about shipping bags and bags of money to the Germans, Japanese and Koreans, consider the higher insurance premiums and parts prices on the on the imports. Oh yeah, just break down in the middle of nowhere in an import. Every little town in America has a Ford or GM dealer, but you might have to have your import towed many, many miles to find someone who’ll touch it. What was the last import you ever saw that has ‘cult’ followings you see with the American brands? I’m thinking of '57 Chevys, Corvettes, Mustangs, GTO’s and hundreds more. We’ll see how many rabid Toyota Camry or Honda Accord owners who preserve and show those ‘exciting’, models 40 years from now.

BUY AMERICAN!
I know we’ve discussed this before but you are definitely not correct about this.If you do some research into initial quality ratings and frequency of repair records you find that Chrysler and Dodge vehicles are of far better quality than most of those offered by GM or Ford.
 
Is there a manufacturing year where certain safety features became standard?

I vaguely remember reading somewhere to never buy a used car past either 2001 or 2003, but I can’t remember which…

Is this for real or the product of a cluttered brain.

🙂
 
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Siena:
Cargo,

I would disagree. Abby dosn’t have the money to keep up an American car. Go with a Honda Civic, or Accord if you can afford it. They get great gas mileage, and have few repair needs. They also have an excellent safety record, and an incredible resale value. (If you find the need for a mini-van in later years 😉 ).

I love American cars, unfortunetly, anything other than a “classic” looses way too much value once it is driven off the lot, and are known for design flaws and poor gas mileage.
I am sorry Siena but your opinion of American cars may have been true 10 or 15 years ago but it certainly is not today. The American manufacturers (especially Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep) are turning out some of the best products available and the Japanese manufacturers are definitely having their share of problems. Lucky for them they are still benefitting from their past record of reliability and not their more recent one.
 
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Princess_Abby:
It almost seems like bigger is better on the road these days. I think I’m overly biased because of accidents I’ve been in, but I shudder even thinking about an accident involving my child in the backseat. A car being t-boned is much different than a higher standing vehicle. But, the gas mileage…
You are quite correct. The NHTSA did a study on accident survivability back in the 90’s and determined that the single most important factor in surviving an accident was not airbags or even seatbelt use, it was the size of the vehicle you are riding in.
 
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2shelbys:
You are quite correct. The NHTSA did a study on accident survivability back in the 90’s and determined that the single most important factor in surviving an accident was not airbags or even seatbelt use, it was the size of the vehicle you are riding in.
Well I will be sure to look up that stat for my husband, then, who thinks I’m being a tad overreactive to think we need a “big” car. 🙂 He’s never been in an accident, though.
 
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Benedictus:
If you spend $5 to subscribe to Consumer Reports’ website for a month, you can see all of their reviews of new and used cars. I did it when I bought my last car, and it was the best $5 I ever spent. It also convinced me not to buy an American car; I now own another Japanese car.
I can understand why you came to that decision as a Consumer Reports subscriber. Their ratings are bogus and very biased in favor of Japanese vehicles. The best example I can cite is the fact that they gave the Dodge Dakota pickup (which had won awards for “Best ownership experience” almost every year in production partly due to it’s reliability) their worst reliability rating while giving the new Toyota Takoma pickup their best rating in spite of the fact that the new 190HP V6 had a serious design flaw that had owners buying head gaskets by the case.
 
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Benedictus:
I don’t think my insurance agent ever asked the color of my car. I doubt it matters. Living in Minnesota, I’m reluctant to buy a white car for fear of getting stuck in a blizzard and being invisible to those looking for me. There was a case of this happening a few years ago. A woman got stuck in a blizzard in the middle of nowhere. She called for help on her cell phone. They sent planes and helicopters, but they couldn’t see the camoflauged white car.
This is true but your insurance agent can give you great information on safety. They are a really good source for accident survivability (of passengers and the vehicle itself) information since they are the ones who pay when something happens.
 
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Princess_Abby:
Well I will be sure to look up that stat for my husband, then, who thinks I’m being a tad overreactive to think we need a “big” car. 🙂 He’s never been in an accident, though.
Somewhere around here I have a magazine with that report in it. I will try to find it and let you know where to get the information. I also have some real world experience in this area. While I was working at a dealership we had a customer who was not paying attention run a new Dodge Ram 1500 into the back of Ford Explorer at a light. The Explorer was totalled and pushed into a Saturn Vue that was very nearly totalled. The Ram only needed a new bumper and grill. It’s headlights were not even broken.
 
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2shelbys:
Somewhere around here I have a magazine with that report in it. I will try to find it and let you know where to get the information.
Thanks. I actually just called him at work and I got a big, long sigh with an “Abigaaaaaaaaaaaaail” in response to “bigger is better.” 🙂 However, it might have had something to do with me telling him I also want him to consider trading in his car and going bigger, as well as purchasing a bigger family car…

But he’s the one doing the commuting, not me. Maybe I’ll keep his Toyota as a grocery getter and during family trips to wherever we’ll use the SUV or whatever we get…he says he doesn’t want to drive an SUV to work…but I just want him to be safe.
 
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