Saint Xavier Catholic Church in NYC - "Do you affirm that white privilege is unfair"--"Woke" Catholic Church

[blackforest]

Can you first cite where the priest said that all whites are privileged? I’d rather be rebutting points he actually made.

I have a problem with the way the message was delivered @blackforest. I sounded like a reprimand, not a let’s all work together kind of thing.

I suppose I took it differently. It sounded constructive and positive to me, especially with references to transforming Church culture and supporting racial justice. To me, this is just Charity 101. But tensions are at an all-time high these days

 

[StudentMI]

Can you first cite where the priest said that all whites are privileged? I’d rather be rebutting points he actually made.

I’ve already stated my view on white privilege in this thread. Scroll above.

 

[blackforest]

Yes, you did in Post 32. We’re not discussing your view. We’re discussing the priest’s view, which it sounds like you’ve misrepresented.

We are not supposed to incite animosity toward clergy on CAF, so tread carefully.

 

[StudentMI]

Yes, you did in Post 32. We’re not discussing your view. We’re discussing the priest’s view, which is sounds like you’ve misrepresented.

He said white privilege, full stop. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[ConcernedAmerican]

I mean that people should be able to have their own communities where they can police themselves according to shared values and not have armed racists deciding that a black man isn’t behaving the way they think he should so they shoot him in the back.

 

[Irishmom2]

And how would you propose that would work? “Separate but equal?” Apartheid?

No, what you are suggesting is not realistic, nor is it a good way to bring people together.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

White supremacy is the belief that the white race is in some way superior to one, or more, other races. This belief can, and often is, subconscious (examples would be clutching your purse when an African American walks by

That’s not always subconscious. If you or someone you know has already been robbed then you will likely do this every time someone who looks like the robber or otherwise looks suspicious comes at you. I was strong-arm purse-snatched once and clutched my bag or refused to carry one at all for years. I’ve also seen other people clutch their stuff when I walked down some dark urban street towards them wearing a black baggy hoodie that concealed most of my middle-aged white female face. I wasn’t affronted because they had no idea who I was and it was a rough neighborhood, which was why I was dressed like that so others wouldn’t bother me.

 

[Irishmom2]

police themselves according to shared values

Are values that different? Are we going to have separate laws or something for your different areas of color? That is going backward.

 

[blackforest]

Where you can’t/won’t cite where he said it, your clue is in his very first sentence. He asked to do our part to combat white privilege. He didn’t say “all whites are privileged.” I won’t “agree to disagree” on basic facts. Misrepresenting what he said is disingenuous.

 

[billsherman]

That’s not always subconscious.

I didn’t mean to imply that it is always subconscious, or always an expression of white supremacy. There are countless of similar examples though.

A classic one is talking about “those people.” I think you know what I’m getting at.

 

[StudentMI]

I won’t “agree to disagree” on basic facts. Misrepresenting what he said is disingenuous.

Agreeing to disagree is a polite way of saying you have your opinion and I find it fruitless to discuss the issue with you. It is not saying all opinions are equal.

 

[Motherwit]

Tis_Bearself:

That’s not always subconscious.

I didn’t mean to imply that it is always subconscious, or always an expression of white supremacy. There are countless of similar examples though.

A classic one is talking about “those people.” I think you know what I’m getting at.

An example that I’ve noticed here is that in the World News section there’s often blanket posting of crimes perpetrated by a black person. It makes me think ‘are you trying to prove that black people are innately criminal?’. Very uncomfortable.

 

[blackforest]

I’m citing a fact, not an opinion. Refuting those requires evidence, not warm, fuzzy opinions. But you do you.

My opinion is that he’s doing an outstanding job upholding basic Catholic Social Teaching. For a Catholic like Michelle Malkin to incite this kind of animosity against clergy is unconscionable.

 

[StudentMI]

Yes that’s nice. See ya.

 

[KMC]

Tis_Bearself:

That’s not always subconscious.

I didn’t mean to imply that it is always subconscious, or always an expression of white supremacy. There are countless of similar examples though.

A classic one is talking about “those people.” I think you know what I’m getting at.

So when I overhear an Asian person from one country talking negatively about “those people” from a different Asian country…is that racist? Or does your definition only allow white people to be racist?

 

[billsherman]

Or does your definition only allow white people to be racist?

I thought I was clear that it isn’t my definition and that I have misgivings about it.

If there is something specific about what I wrote that is unclear please ask.

 

[KMC]

KMC:

Or does your definition only allow white people to be racist?

I thought I was clear that it isn’t my definition and that I have misgivings about it.

If there is something specific about what I wrote that is unclear please ask.

My misunderstanding. I have seen that definition before…Its one I disagree with strongly.

 

[AlNg]

I tend to think there is some white privilege

Apparently a lot of Catholics agree with you since we hear these prayers in Catholic Churches about ending white privilege and we hear the voices of Catholics attending Mass affirming loudly that white privilege is unfair. . My question is this: Since Catholic clergy are asking for prayers affirming that white privilege is unfair, why don’t they do something about electing only white Popes? In the last several hundred years, how many of the Roman Catholic Popes have been non-white?

 

[1Lord1Faith]

Or non-Italian.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

This is a good question. It would be nice if Cardinal Sarah could be Pope.

I would also like, someday, to see a Pope from the USA.