Same-sex marriages: Let it be!

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Vonsalza:
And since this is their America too, we have the on-going problem.
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Well then, let’s all just go along with “their” fantasy. That would seem to be your proposal.
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In the same vein, we get to go along with ours from their view.

They get their government-issued certificate, we get to say “you’re not REALLY married…”
 
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In the same vein, we get to go along with ours from their view.
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Actually, that may not remain so. Our children will be required to be educated now about more than the birds and the bees, because stopping at that would not be inclusive.

Going on and on about “our perspective” vs “their perspective” only goes so far.
 
The male and female human body are pretty much self explanatory. The human reproductive system is not a mystery. A tradesman might choose to treat nuts and bolts as if they were interchangeable with each other, but the structural outcomes of such a view will be unstable and subject falling apart. That’s where we find ourselves now.

Well, after all, Justice Kennedy gave us permission to create our own reality in his remarkable “sweet mystery of life” quote. So we have become quite accustomed to creating our own self-constructed reality. But mother nature eventually yanks us not so gently back to firmer ground.
 
Jamie5 said:
“It’s none of your business what 2 consenting adults, married or not, do in their bedrooms.”
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If the state gets involved, it’s by definition everyone’s business whether people want it to be or not. And for some people, that isn’t far enough.
 
I see. But when we start to ask the questions: why do we have a sexual complementary in our species? Why can only a man and a woman produce children? Why can’t two men or two women have children? What is the purpose for the reproductive organs? We notice that homosexual acts go against nature.
It is true that human nature is disordered (because of the fall) but we cannot excuse the truth that God and biology present to us. So, while yes, whatever two consenting adults do in their bedroom is non of our business, but to justify and say that it is normal for our species to commit such acts must be a grievous error
 
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This is the second post on this thread where it appears the meaning of “chastity” is unknown WRT Catholic teaching.

I have been chaste in my marriage for almost 30 years. I would hope that all married people here live lives of chastity.

Seems people confuse “chastity” with “continence”.

The Catechism explains the terms:

2348 All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has “put on Christ,” the model for all chastity. All Christ’s faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity.

2349 "People should cultivate [chastity] in the way that is suited to their state of life. Some profess virginity or consecrated celibacy which enables them to give themselves to God alone with an undivided heart in a remarkable manner. Others live in the way prescribed for all by the moral law, whether they are married or single. Married people are called to live conjugal chastity; others practice chastity in continence:

There are three forms of the virtue of chastity: the first is that of spouses, the second that of widows, and the third that of virgins. We do not praise any one of them to the exclusion of the others. . . . This is what makes for the richness of the discipline of the Church.

2350 Those who are engaged to marry are called to live chastity in continence. They should see in this time of testing a discovery of mutual respect, an apprenticeship in fidelity, and the hope of receiving one another from God. They should reserve for marriage the expressions of affection that belong to married love. They will help each other grow in chastity.
 
Just stick to what I write and stop trying to get into my head.
It’s pretty straightforward.
 
I’d be curious to know exactly how many people here know and interact on a friend, family, social or other way with gay people on a regular basis. The levels of intolerance and even dislike or hatred for gays regularly expressed on this forum give me pause. Some posters are very much “love the sinner, hate the sin” which I can understand and accept, but I don’t get that vibe from everyone.
 
I’ll wait. And keep waiting. Because that will never ever happen.

Marriage for all is here to stay.
 
I haven’t seen any examples of intolerance and disagreeing with so-called gay “marriage” and upholding the Catholic teaching on marriage is NOT intolerance.
 
Make sure you ask some Muslims about that, because they have other plans.
 
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It is possible to be Catholic and have compassion same time. Your homophobia and Islamophobia are deafening. You’re not even using the correct acronym for the gay community. It’s LGBT, by the way. Also, stop painting all Muslims with the same brush. How about befriend some people in the Muslim and LGBT community and learn from them? Right now it’s hard to take you seriously because you’re so misinformed.
 
There it is! WOOT! WOOT! The accusations of islamphobia for just mentioning that Muslims don’t go along with the Western left agenda all the time…OOOHHHH and homophobia for not agreeing with so-called gay "marriage—AND on a Catholic Forum no less.

Let’s see what else…
anikins said:
It’s LGBT, by the way.
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Of course! The alphabet patrol! Got to make sure the women are first, eh? That’s not transphobic is it?

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anikins said:
It is possible to be Catholic and have compassion same time.
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No compassion! In other words, “you don’t agree with me, therefore you have no compassion”.

Since I’m a minority, does that make you a racist?

Also interesting note on befriending those people------I had a Muslim co-worker I hung out with and a gay roommate. Does that give my arguments extra moral authority as you seem to be implying?

I’m really just trying to sort out your hierarchy of victimhood here. Do you happen to have a privilege points calculator? Maybe Jamie can help since she liked your post and has friends in XYZ group or some such thing?
 
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Not recognising the counterfeit marriage between two people of the same sex is not ‘homophobic’. The term is being thrown around so often that it has lost all meaning.
Marriage is not a right. If it were, all single people wanting to be married should litigate.
The state can recognize these counterfeit marriages it if wants but expecting a true follower of Christ to affirm them, there is not a remote possibility of that. There are many gay Christians who follow Christ faithfully and not engage in homosexual activity or ‘marrying’ people of the same sex.
 
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Regardless of what one personally feels, same-sex marriages are licensed in and recognized by all U.S. states and Washington, D.C., as well as all U.S. territories except American Samoa. State level bans are a thing of the past. These are the facts. So in that regard, the OP is correct. Even Trump recognizes same-sex marriages are “settled.”
 
Just keep telling yourself that. It’ll be interesting to see all these so-called allies turn on the GLBT folks when the wind shifts.

I’ve been warning them about it for some time, because despite what @anikins thinks, it’s the compassionate and Christian think to do.
 
We must be reading different threads. There was one on the old board where someone repeatedly expressed outright hatred for gays. Not what they do, but the people themselves. The mods eventually took down the posts. Now I realize most people on here aren’t haters, but a handful of incidents like that are likely to drive a lot of posters back into the woodwork rather than even bothering to try dialogue here.
 
Hello, what do you mean “when the wind shifts?” It has already shifted. Please be more specific.
 
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