San Francisco City Government Calls Catholics 'Hateful, Discriminatory, Insulting, Ig

[vern_humphrey]

Holly3278:

I hope they file a lawsuit or something. The government has no right voicing its opinions about a religious group. This could possibly be considered discrimination.

It could possibly be discrimination?

It is discrimination! It is blatant, open governmental discrimination.

How about we get local San Francisco Catholics to apply for high-paying job in local government, and if any of them don’t get it, sue? This resolution would be all the evidence we need.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

 

[Tonks40]

Holly3278:

I hope they file a lawsuit or something. The government has no right voicing its opinions about a religious group. This could possibly be considered discrimination.

This is serious! It’s also defamation of character to a whole body of people!

I hope the Catholic League gets involved in this!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Tonks40:

This is serious! It’s also defamation of character to a whole body of people!

I hope the Catholic League gets involved in this!

Any Catholic living in San Francisco ought to be prepared to sue. If you don’t get hired, they don’t pick up your trash, or respond fast enough to a 911 call – sue.

 

[bones_IV]

vern humphrey:

Any Catholic living in San Francisco ought to be prepared to sue. If you don’t get hired, they don’t pick up your trash, or respond fast enough to a 911 call – sue.

agreed! You know what, the Communists said the same thing about the Church before the Russian Revolution in 1917. Look at what happened afterwards. I’m afraid the consequences this time could be disasterous. This will be our nations judgment if we don’t repent. “Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin”. Daniel said to the Babylonians that “God has judged your kingdom and finished it, you were weighed on the scales and found lacking”. This serves as a warning to Catholics and all Christians who lack good deeds. Yes, this is discrimination. Remember what Rabbi Dalin warned about, when he said that defamation of Pius XII has led to the defamation of Benedict XVI? Well, this is a perfect example of this. The atheists, secularists and non-believers will take over the U.S. if we let them.

 

[vern_humphrey]

We should bury them in lawsuits. As I said, if you’re Catholic and they don’t pick up your trash one day, if youi don’t get the city government job you applied for, if you have a city job and don’t get promoted – sue.

 

[cmt]

Tonks40:

This is serious! It’s also defamation of character to a whole body of people!

I hope the Catholic League gets involved in this!

They are aware of it.

Catholic League

March 22, 2006

**SAN FRANCISCO POLS ATTACK FIRST AMENDMENT **

Catholic League president William Donohue commented today on a unanimous vote by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors condemning the Catholic Church for opposing gay adoptions:
“In a non-binding resolution, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors lashed out at the Catholic Church because it disagrees with the Church’s teachings on marriage and sexuality. The board, which has long shown its affinity for the radical gay agenda, has now demonstrated that it has nothing but contempt for the First Amendment provisions on religious liberty and the establishment of religion. If they had it their way, the government would dictate the teachings of the Catholic Church.

“Because the Catholic Church supports the right of children to be raised by fathers and mothers, and not by various other combinations, the Board of Supervisors calls the Church’s teachings on adoption ‘hateful,’ ‘discriminatory,’ ‘insulting’ and ‘callous,’ adding that it ‘shows a level of insensitivity and ignorance.’ The group also said, ‘It is an insult to all San Franciscans when a foreign country, like the Vatican, meddles with…this city’s existing and established customs and traditions….’

“According to this logic, any religious entity that faithfully follows the tenets of its faith risks being condemned by San Francisco officials if the Board of Supervisors disagrees with its contents. The real meddlers, obviously, are government agents who seek to smash the principle of separation of church and state by seeking to inject themselves into the internal affairs of a world religion.
“The new San Francisco Archbishop, George Niederauer, has his hands full with a related matter: Catholic Charities, which has been told to stop gay adoptions, refuses to cooperate.

Brian Cahill, the executive director, pledges no policy changes, and Glenn Motola, the CYO director of programs and services, is a gay adoptive father. These men worked for the former archbishop, William Levada, who is now a Cardinal-elect serving in Rome in the same post formerly held by Pope Benedict XVI.”

 

[LRThunder]

What makes this even more dangerous is that if this resolution is not overturned, it will only encourage more hatred from this council and it could extend to anybody who opposes gay adoptions, not just Catholics.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

I have never been to San Francisco and now I do not even want to go there. This is nothing but a “hate crime” and should be treated as such.

PF

 

[grotto]

Remember the earthquake history they have in San Francisco? Seems like they might be due soon. Guess we won’t be asked to come help them dig out. Oh well!

 

[vern_humphrey]

WanderAimlessly:

I have never been to San Francisco and now I do not even want to go there. This is nothing but a “hate crime” and should be treated as such.

PF

Of course it is. But don’t expect anyone to rush to our defense (do you see the ACLU galloping down Market Street?)

We’ll have to defend ourselves, as we always have. That’s why I say we should be lining up lawsuits right now, claiming anti-Catholic discrimination is the official policy of San Francisco.

 

[bones_IV]

vern humphrey:

Of course it is. But don’t expect anyone to rush to our defense (do you see the ACLU galloping down Market Street?)

We’ll have to defend ourselves, as we always have. That’s why I say we should be lining up lawsuits right now, claiming anti-Catholic discrimination is the official policy of San Francisco.

Yep, my point exactly. The ACLU only defends who want to defend. What’s ever happened to equal treatment?

 

[Riley259]

You wonder how many of these board members are homosexuals themselves and how many have adopted kids. Maybe it hit too close to home. However, the truth still needs to be held no matter what criticism is leveled against the church.

 

[imroc]

SF Board of Supervisors:

Jake McGoldrick
Michela Alioto-Pier
Aaron Peskin
Fiona Ma
Ross Mirkarimi
Chris Daly
Sean Elsbernd
Bevan Dufty
Tom Ammiano
Sophie Maxwell
Gerardo Sandoval

sfgov.org/site/bdsupvrs_index.asp?id=7271

1. 060340 [Urging Governor Schwarzenegger to submit amicus brief to New York Supreme Court of Appeals in support of the right of same-sex civil marriage] Supervisor Ammiano
   Resolution urging Governor Schwarzenegger to submit an amicus brief to the New York Court of Appeals in support of the right of same-sex civil marriage.

3/14/2006, REFERRED FOR ADOPTION WITHOUT COMMITTEE REFERENCE AGENDA AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

Question: Shall this Resolution be ADOPTED?

1. 060356 [Urging Cardinal Levada to withdraw his directive to Catholic Charities forbidding the placement of children in need of adoption with same-sex couples] Supervisors Ammiano, Dufty, Alioto-Pier, Mirkarimi
   Resolution urging Cardinal William Levada, in his capacity as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at the Vatican, to withdraw his discriminatory and defamatory directive that Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of San Francisco stop placing children in need of adoption with homosexual households.

3/14/2006, REFERRED FOR ADOPTION WITHOUT COMMITTEE REFERENCE AGENDA AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

Question: Shall this Resolution be ADOPTED?

Funny thing is, you can find this one in their meeting just a month earlier:

1. 060270 [Urging the Los Altos City Council to reconsider an amendment forbidding official proclamations referring to ethnicity, race, religion or sexual orientation] Supervisors Ammiano, Dufty
   Resolution urging the Los Altos City Council to reconsider its decision to pass an amendment forbidding official proclamations which make reference specifically to ethnicity, race, religion, or sexual orientation.

2/28/2006, REFERRED FOR ADOPTION WITHOUT COMMITTEE REFERENCE AGENDA AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

Question: Shall this Resolution be ADOPTED?

 

[Oren]

I find this deeply disturbing. And I emailed all of those people I could. I hope a lot of other people do as well.

 

[Libero]

Does nobody here think that seeking revenge is actually contradictory to the notion that we are not ‘Hateful, Dicriminatory, Ignorant and Insulting’ ?

Why not take the high road - prove them wrong with loving and kind actions, make them see how very wrong they are. Writing an angry letter will not work in this instance I feel…

 

[WanderAimlessly]

Libero:

Does nobody here think that seeking revenge is actually contradictory to the notion that we are not ‘Hateful, Dicriminatory, Ignorant and Insulting’ ?

Why not take the high road - prove them wrong with loving and kind actions, make them see how very wrong they are. Writing an angry letter will not work in this instance I feel…

Not if we do it in a non-violent way by voting them out of office if you live there and not visiting the city if you do not live there.
But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet, we wipe off against you; nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ (LK 10:10-11 RSV)
PF

 

[bones_IV]

WanderAimlessly:

Not if we do it in a non-violent way by voting them out of office if you live there and not visiting the city if you do not live there.But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet, we wipe off against you; nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ (LK 10:10-11 RSV)
PF

:clapping:

 

[Oren]

How is emailing the board members about what I think of their resolution revenge? And who says it was an ‘angry’ letter? I don’t think keeping quiet on the matter helps anyone. Especially when it’s something a governmental body does. Again, I hope a lot of people speak out against this.

 

[davy39]

Oren:

How is emailing the board members about what I think of their resolution revenge? And who says it was an ‘angry’ letter? I don’t think keeping quiet on the matter helps anyone. Especially when it’s something a governmental body does. Again, I hope a lot of people speak out against this.

I e-mailed them, too, but I didn’t think it was a hateful letter. I believe we still have the right to protest something we think is wrong. This right is not reserved for the liberals, as far as I know.

 

[vern_humphrey]

davy39:

I e-mailed them, too, but I didn’t think it was a hateful letter. I believe we still have the right to protest something we think is wrong. This right is not reserved for the liberals, as far as I know.

Amen. What we are being told here is that because we are Catholics, we are not welcome in San Francisco.

That is unacceptable.