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Sanders supporters are the participation trophy generation (my generation) come home to roost. Being told we were all special snowflakes has caused millenials to declare anything they want a human right that must come at another’s expense. Mark Twain refutes Bernie fans in two sentences: “the world does not owe you a living. It was here first”.
Participation trophy? Tell me how that has affected culture. People still value gold medals, and one does not say how Austin Peay University (a 16th seed beaten by Kansas this year) has equal prestige over Villanova.

Twain also said this:
“There were two ‘Reigns of Terror,’ if we would but remember and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the guillotine, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”
The fact that Bernie is a “democratic” socialist does not make the implications of his socialism any less pernicious. The endgame of socialism is, under the pretense of “equality”, to ensure everyone is the serf of the government and to eliminate private property and independent thought.
You should ask people who actually lived in the Soviet Union and East Germany (and here) about it. You should also ask many of the people who live in Sweden or Denmark about their systems.
Lastly, it cracks me up how Bernie plugs an anti-establishment ethos when his entire platform is to get the government’s Lovecraftian tentacles on even more of our lives. It really does make an anarchistic, Mad Max-style free for all look attractive by comparison.
There are a few failed states without any effective administrative body.
 
I have no doubt that they will switch (just like they did with Obama) if Bernie starts taking a majority of the popular vote. But that seems highly unlikely at this stage in the game.
I think a lot is dependent on NY. It looks like Hillary will win that state, but I think there is a chance Bernie could, especially if his momentum grows. There is no doubt Bernie has the momentum now, but Hillary has the base of Democratic voters and the NY home court advantage.

It’s going to be interesting, and I will support whoever wins the Democratic nomination.
 
You should ask people who actually lived in the Soviet Union and East Germany (and here) about it. You should also ask many of the people who live in Sweden or Denmark about their systems.
done. just ask Solzhenitsyn.
In different places over the years I have had to prove that socialism, which to many western thinkers is a sort of kingdom of justice, was in fact full of coercion, of bureaucratic greed and corruption and avarice, and consistent within itself that socialism cannot be implemented without the aid of coercion. Communist propaganda would sometimes include statements such as “we include almost all the commandments of the Gospel in our ideology”. The difference is that the Gospel asks all this to be achieved through love, through self-limitation, but socialism only uses coercion.
I think I’ll take his word it, seeing he spent 8 years in a forced labor camp reflecting on it.
 
done. just ask Solzhenitsyn.

I think I’ll take his word it, seeing he spent 8 years in a forced labor camp reflecting on it.
The 100 million figure doesn’t even add up and there is no evidence supporting it.

Many states have a prison system, and have a culture of greed and corruption. The United States has the highest incarceration rate.
 
I have no doubt that they will switch (just like they did with Obama) if Bernie starts taking a majority of the popular vote. But that seems highly unlikely at this stage in the game.
It’s good That the Democra Party has a House of Lords to assure that the great unwashed don’t pick somebody unacceptable to the party elites
 
It’s good That the Democra Party has a House of Lords to assure that the great unwashed don’t pick somebody unacceptable to the party elites
You must have missed the part Little Sheep said about how how they would switch if Bernie takes the majority of the popular vote. Bernie has been doing awesome and I love much of what he stands for. I voted for him. But he is still a long way from overcoming Hillary’s lead in votes and delegate math. As great as Bernie is doing, the voices of earlier voters, including her victories in important swing states such as VA, FL, OH, and NV can’t simply be ignored and tossed aside yet at this point. OTOH Republican unbound delegates could ignore the vote on their side and help hand their nomination to another. 🤷
 
I think a lot is dependent on NY. It looks like Hillary will win that state, but I think there is a chance Bernie could, especially if his momentum grows. There is no doubt Bernie has the momentum now, but Hillary has the base of Democratic voters and the NY home court advantage.

It’s going to be interesting, and I will support whoever wins the Democratic nomination.
Lily, a nice win last night for our guy! And I totally agree NY looks for Hillary right now but with Bernie having a chance. From what I’ve seen out of WI, Bernie won 47 delegates but Hillary still took 36.
 
The 100 million figure doesn’t even add up and there is no evidence supporting it.

Many states have a prison system, and have a culture of greed and corruption. The United States has the highest incarceration rate.
The USSR is excused for the gulag, but the US is still the big bad wolf?

Then again, thanks to the collectivists (I cannot call them liberals anymore, since they do not believe in liberty), America is becoming a neo-Soviet Union. The government that wants Edward Snowden’s head on a platter for exposing their dirty secrets is the same one that is hoping we’ll forget about Hillary’s whole email scandal. Hang the petty thieves, elect the great ones to public office.

And then Justice Scalia ends up conveniently croaking weeks after Hillary says she’d put Obama on the Supreme Court. No autopsy, was pronounced dead by a judge (who never saw the body), had a pillow over his head, and all of this took place at the ranch of an Obama donor.
 
You must have missed the part Little Sheep said about how how they would switch if Bernie takes the majority of the popular vote. Bernie has been doing awesome and I love much of what he stands for. I voted for him. But he is still a long way from overcoming Hillary’s lead in votes and delegate math. As great as Bernie is doing, the voices of earlier voters, including her victories in important swing states such as VA, FL, OH, and NV can’t simply be ignored and tossed aside yet at this point. OTOH Republican unbound delegates could ignore the vote on their side and help hand their nomination to another. 🤷
Have they committed to switch? Are they required to follow the will of the people or can they vote any way they want? Why does the so called party of the little man give so much power to the elites?

The republicans don’t have appointed unbound delegates. The party leadership in each State picks 3 delegates but they are required to vote for the candidate their state voted for
 
Sanders supporters are the participation trophy generation (my generation) come home to roost. Being told we were all special snowflakes has caused millenials to declare anything they want a human right that must come at another’s expense. Mark Twain refutes Bernie fans in two sentences: “the world does not owe you a living. It was here first”.

The fact that Bernie is a “democratic” socialist does not make the implications of his socialism any less pernicious. The endgame of socialism is, under the pretense of “equality”, to ensure everyone is the serf of the government and to eliminate private property and independent thought.

A lot of people say we need “democratic socialism” because “so much wealth is controlled by the elite few”. So, the solution, according to them, is there give all the wealth and means of producton to an elite few? 🤷

The State exists for people, not people for the State. Unfortunately, that notion quickly runs away.

The most dangerous thing about Bernie Sanders supporters is that they blindly and unquestioningly believe the oldest lie in history: that politicians have the everyman’s best interests at heart. The worst job of any man is to lord it over others; not one in a million is fit of it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity.

Thankfully, the scales have fallen from my eyes. We in the West are not free, we are free range tax cattle. The powers that be would have us all exterminated once they no longer have use for us. The safest assumption is that anyone with political authority wants to: rob you, imprison you, enslave you, kill you, drag your soul to damnation, or any combination of the above.

Lastly, it cracks me up how Bernie plugs an anti-establishment ethos when his entire platform is to get the government’s Lovecraftian tentacles on even more of our lives. It really does make an anarchistic, Mad Max-style free for all look attractive by comparison.
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You get the gold star award for Post of the Day! (sadly, it looks the same as all the other participation trophies we give out for other posters… 😃 )
 
College tuition is free in many public colleges in Germany, Finland, France, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden, Brazil. Do you think that Germany, Finland, France, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden do not understand economics? If Germany does not understand economics, how come US News and World Report ranks the German economy as number ONE in the entire world? Many people view Germany as the best country for fostering entrepreneurship, and rank it high for its quality of life.
usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/germany-is-seen-as-the-no-1-country-in-the-world
While college tuition is “free” in Germany, only the chosen ones get to go. It isn’t open to anyone. You have to be part of the special crowd to get it.
 
College tuition is free in many public colleges in Germany, Finland, France, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden, Brazil. Do you think that Germany, Finland, France, Norway, Slovenia, Sweden do not understand economics? If Germany does not understand economics, how come US News and World Report ranks the German economy as number ONE in the entire world? Many people view Germany as the best country for fostering entrepreneurship, and rank it high for its quality of life.
usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/germany-is-seen-as-the-no-1-country-in-the-world
Apparently, they have the basic one down, You have to spend money in order to make money.

If we want a more vibrant economy, we need to be willing to spend money on infrastructure. Guess what, an educated work force is part of that.
 
While college tuition is “free” in Germany, only the chosen ones get to go. It isn’t open to anyone. You have to be part of the special crowd to get it.
The ones not going to “college” go to trade schools. Also paid for by society through their taxes.
 
Lily, a nice win last night for our guy! And I totally agree NY looks for Hillary right now but with Bernie having a chance. From what I’ve seen out of WI, Bernie won 47 delegates but Hillary still took 36.
Bernie did great last night! Momentum is on his side right now, he just needs to capitalize on it, and I think he will. 🙂
 
While college tuition is “free” in Germany, only the chosen ones get to go. It isn’t open to anyone. You have to be part of the special crowd to get it.
In Switzerland, high school graduates are required to either go to college or to trade school and then complete an apprenticeship. No Swiss is left untrained for work. Don’t know how well that would work in the US since the US is so much bigger than Switzerland.
 
I absolutely detest Bernie Sanders, but want to see him beat Hillary so we can say a vote for the Democratic Party is a vote for Socialism.
I also detest Bernie. Maybe the South can rise again if Bernie wins the general election.
 
The USSR is excused for the gulag, but the US is still the big bad wolf?

Then again, thanks to the collectivists (I cannot call them liberals anymore, since they do not believe in liberty), America is becoming a neo-Soviet Union. The government that wants Edward Snowden’s head on a platter for exposing their dirty secrets is the same one that is hoping we’ll forget about Hillary’s whole email scandal. Hang the petty thieves, elect the great ones to public office.

And then Justice Scalia ends up conveniently croaking weeks after Hillary says she’d put Obama on the Supreme Court. No autopsy, was pronounced dead by a judge (who never saw the body), had a pillow over his head, and all of this took place at the ranch of an Obama donor.
No one excuses the Soviets for the gulags, but the US isn’t exactly a beacon of freedom and liberty, as even you have acknowledged.

I fail to see any substantial resemblance to the US and the Soviet Union.
 
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I fail to see any substantial resemblance to the US and the Soviet Union.
Not a whole lot, but there is some. Hillary Clinton wants us to “change our religion”. The Soviets expended considerable effort in trying to reach the same goal.
 
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