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stinkcat_14 said:
I checked Bernie’s figures with one of the online financial databases at my school, they report the following federal income tax payments over this period. So Bernie is not lying, the figures add up to what he claims.

Year Fed Income tax (millions)

2012 223,000
2011 193,000
2010 (705,000)
2009 (611,000)
2008 365,000
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In the 10-K filings for Verizon, they had income of (millions):

2008 - $9,759
2009 - $13,520
2010 - $12,684
2011 - $10,483
2012 - $9,897
2013 - $29,277

And income tax of (millions):

2008 - $3,331
2009 - $1,919
2010 - $2,467
2011 - $285
2012 - $-660
2013 - $5,730
 
zz912 said:
In the 10-K filings for Verizon, they had income of (millions):

2008 - $9,759
2009 - $13,520
2010 - $12,684
2011 - $10,483
2012 - $9,897
2013 - $29,277

And income tax of (millions):

2008 - $3,331
2009 - $1,919
2010 - $2,467
2011 - $285
2012 - $-660
2013 - $5,730
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Are those tax numbers just the amount paid for federal corporate income tax?
 
Alex_H said:
The most notable one I can think of is Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. She served in Iraq. She was also a leader in the Democratic National Committee until she resigned because party rules wouldn’t let her endorse a candidate and remain in the leadership.
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Would she do a good job of getting current military personnel to support Sanders?
 
anon67074017 said:
Would she do a good job of getting current military personnel to support Sanders?
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Well, she is an Iraq war vet. I cannot predict the future, however. I believe that the military will respect whoever the people decide to put into office. I don’t predict some sort of coup, if that is what you are asking.

The only candidate that the military does have concerns about is Donald Trump, with some in the leadership worrying that he would order them to commit war crimes.
 
Alex_H said:
Well, she is an Iraq war vet. I cannot predict the future, however. I believe that the military will respect whoever the people decide to put into office. I don’t predict some sort of coup, if that is what you are asking.

The only candidate that the military does have concerns about is Donald Trump, with some in the leadership worrying that he would order them to commit war crimes.
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That’s just hyperbole, you can always find someone to support your anxiety.

It was the CIA that did the water boarding before and as with Bush, any future operatives would cover their hinney and get it legally documented that whatever they were doing was within the rule of law.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Bernie doesn’t lie.
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He’s said things that aren’t true, like some of the posters on this board:
  1. “Let’s talk about climate change,” he said. "Do you think there’s a reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system?
    This is not true since both Kasich and Christie have said that climate change is real.
  2. “We spend twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on Earth.”
    Not true since in 2013 US health care spending was $8,713 per capita in 2013. Switzerland was at $6,325.
 
Tomdstone said:
He’s said things that aren’t true, like some of the posters on this board:
  1. “Let’s talk about climate change,” he said. "Do you think there’s a reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system?
    This is not true since both Kasich and Christie have said that climate change is real.
  2. “We spend twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on Earth.”
    Not true since in 2013 US health care spending was $8,713 per capita in 2013. Switzerland was at $6,325.
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Okay, point taken. You are right. I don’t think he outright lies, but I give you he’s made some factual mistakes. I should have known that; I lived in Switzerland for 10 years, and I had the best health care there, better even than France to me, and the WHO ranks France number one.
 
Theo520 said:
That’s just hyperbole, you can always find someone to support your anxiety.

It was the CIA that did the water boarding before and as with Bush, any future operatives would cover their hinney and get it legally documented that whatever they were doing was within the rule of law.
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Trump himself said that he would do even worse than waterboarding, including killing off the families of terrorists. He said that the military wouldn’t dare refuse his order.
 
_Abyssinia said:
m.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pontifical-academy-prepares-to-host-senator-sanders-at-the-vatican#When%3A2016-04-14+16%3A50%3A01
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This ploy has very much backfired on Senator Sanders First his campaign breathlessy announced he was invited to the Vatican by the Pope himself and was going to speak with the Pope about issues they are both concerned about . We even saw claims the Pope called Sanders a great world leader . Then the truth came out. Much evidence that Sanders invited himself , he’s not going to meet the Pope, and in reality is gonna give a 10 minute speech to a large group of other people who are likewise attending a mundane Vatican conference

So why would a man who appears to have no faith himself want to align himself with the leader of a Church that categorically rejects his stance on core moral issues ? I guess it’s because he thinks some Catholics are gullible enough to believe cozying up with the Pope mitigates his support for abortion and homosexual marriage to the extent that a Catholic could ilcitly vote for him
 
I saw some highlights from the debate. When the question was brought up by sanders to Clinton about the transcripts, the crowd cheered sanders and Clinton looked uncomfortable .
 
estesbob said:
Much evidence that Sanders invited himself
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From the article you posted:
The invitation appears to have caused an internal rift within the academy. Its president, Margaret Archer, accused Sanders of possibly using the event to court Catholic voters and that he had decided to attend without properly informing her office. But Bishop Sanchez, who is senior to Archer, denied her version of events, telling Reuters that he had issued the invitation, and that the senator had not invited himself. “This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus,” Bishop Sanchez said. Both Archer and Bishop Sanchez declined to comment on the matter to the Register.
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estesbob said:
This ploy has very much backfired on Senator Sanders First his campaign breathlessy announced he was invited to the Vatican by the Pope himself and was going to speak with the Pope about issues they are both concerned about . We even saw claims the Pope called Sanders a great world leader . Then the truth came out. Much evidence that Sanders invited himself , he’s not going to meet the Pope, and in reality is gonna give a 10 minute speech to a large group of other people who are likewise attending a mundane Vatican conference

So why would a man who appears to have no faith himself want to align himself with the leader of a Church that categorically rejects his stance on core moral issues ? I guess it’s because he thinks some Catholics are gullible enough to believe cozying up with the Pope mitigates his support for abortion and homosexual marriage to the extent that a Catholic could ilcitly vote for him
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But Sanders never said himself that “the pope” invited him. He said “the Vatican” invited him, and that “he hoped to meet the pope.”

This is the news media spinning things again, not Sanders.

It might be unwise of Sanders to go to Vatican City with the New York primaries coming up on Tuesday, but he didn’t invite himself; he didn’t lie. The media put a spin on it that wasn’t there.
 
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