Sarah Palin fears "liberal" Pope Francis being influenced by the "sneering media"

[Lochias]

That was totally uncalled for and crude.

If you’ve got a problem with it, take it up with Clinton. What he did was indeed crude.

I was here for a mature discussion, and apparently I was wrong. I am DONE with this thread!!!

Objectively speaking, I have yet to see a single post from you in any thread that is any sort of invitation to a mature discussion.

 

[Lochias]

You know, you call yourself a “progressive” and use liberal in your title. You quote Nancy P as a signature and openly support pro-abortion,pro-gay marriage politians and when all of that rather in your face stuff comes back to haunt you, get mad and leave. If you truly wanted to have an “intellectual” discussion, you wouldn’t be quoting, admiring and using pro-abortion etc politicians which is I think done to incite responses from other Catholics that are trying to be faithful to the Church. If you want an honest intellectual discussion, you would say I struggle with this or that teaching. This is not what you are exactly doing and it seems like you are here not to discuss what you disagree with in the Church but incite responses and when you get them, storm off.

Agreed 100%.

 

[severus68]

How have you gone from Palin’s politics to being pro-life and practically confirming her into the Church?

As someone recently said, “there is more to being Catholic than just being against abortion and gay marriage.”

Yes.

 

[severus68]

Whoever suggested we remove the words “liberal” and “conservative” from the Catholic vocabulary, I second the motion.

I support that.

 

[severus68]

Is it really necessary to respect and admire a woman for not murdering her child?

I wonder about that too.

 

[severus68]

Sarah Palin is a political figure and obviously made comments on Pope Francis. In terms of the clear teaching of the Church on marriage and abortion which many so called “catholic” politicians go against the church on, she stands with the Church. Maybe she looks to the Pope and the Catholic church for inspiration and support. Many non-catholics do.

Maybe its just about politics.

 

[severus68]

Yes. It would be nice, though, if she didn’t have the opinion that Catholics aren’t Christian. Sheesh.

Then why are so many here so full of admiration for her?

 

[severus68]

Then that’s on those who made the attacks. As Pope John XIII said when it was suggested that he get a medal for his participation in helping Jews during World War II, *“you don’t deserve a medal for doing what’s right.” *

So very true.

 

[epan]

I agree and raise you one. I don’t even like the labels in politics. The labels become a substitute for substance and their meaning changes over time. The 60’s liberal who opposed racial qualifications for college admissions is now a conservative for the same position.

I would agree. By the standards of the technologically advanced countries, Mr. Obama would be considered a moderate conservative. The Tea Party types would classify him as a far left socialist. Obviously, the labels reveal more about the labelers then about those applying the labels

 

[severus68]

You missed the point. Sarah went against the grain of women that are older and pregnant with a special needs child. Maybe you don’t have children that have special needs but any parents that does is a hero and anyone that stands up for life in a real way not lip service to get votes is admirable. It is obvious you don’t like her but many of us do and admire her.
When she first was nominated to VP, she came to MI for a rally and in that rally was a number of the nuns from the dominican order Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist. They were interviewed by the local press. They went to see her because they admired her.
I think it is kinda a sad day when Catholics who are suppose to be pro-life and stand with the church can’t even muster admiration for someone who stands against the culture of death.

Why must we admire her? I know so many parents with Down Syndrome children they love and cherish, who just get on with life. I like and respect McCann and I think his biggest mistake was in choosing her as running mate. Honestly, I dislike so much of what she says and does.

 

[severus68]

HRC can do whatever she wants and you can’t stop her. She is easily one of the most accomplished women of our time.

Agreed.

 

[robwar]

Then why are so many here so full of admiration for her?

there is no proof of the truth of the statement that she thinks Catholics are not Christian.

 

[robwar]

I would agree. By the standards of the technologically advanced countries, Mr. Obama would be considered a moderate conservative. The Tea Party types would classify him as a far left socialist. Obviously, the labels reveal more about the labelers then about those applying the labels

Obama is a socialist. There is nothing conservative about him. His whole career he has hob nobbed with the far left. Maybe you should look at the labels the left uses on those Tea Party types such as nazis and racists and realize that that your thought is a two way street and those calling normal Americans that want to take the country back to its roots nazis and racists are the real nazis and racists.

 

[robwar]

Agreed.

what in all reality has hillary accomplished on her own? why does any Catholic admire someone who is pro-abortion?

 

[ishii]

Another reason why no one takes Palin seriously.

If she was a non-factor we wouldn’t be discussing her on this thread. I take her seriously as a leader of tea party conservatives and as someone who has struck a chord with plain speaking, non-elites merely interested in fiscal sanity and common sense conservatism. That said, I don’t believe that she has much intellectual depth. But then again, our current leftist teleprompter reader in chief has probably less intellectual depth. I long for the days when our leaders were well rounded, educated and had gravitas.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

I would agree.*** By the standards of the technologically advanced countries,***

What does that mean???

Mr. Obama would be considered a moderate conservative. The Tea Party types would classify him as a far left socialist. Obviously, the labels reveal more about the labelers then about those applying the labels

You mean leftists in Europe would consider Obama a moderate? Epan, its possible to have a far left president in the US who is constrained by the basic conservative instinct of most of the country overall, and therefore is not able to indulge in his leftist instincts - which would place him squarely and comfortably among the leftists in the “advanced” countries you speak of.

 

[ishii]

Why must we admire her? I know so many parents with Down Syndrome children they love and cherish, who just get on with life. I like and respect McCann and I think his biggest mistake was in choosing her as running mate. Honestly, I dislike so much of what she says and does.

You should respect her because unlike most leaders, she is pro-life and walks the walk. She is an amazing and powerful pro-life example. As such, she absolutely deserves your respect, even if not for her political or necessarily her intellectual depth. Perhaps you could let us know what you dislike about her? Surely its not that she is a powerful pro-life example to counter the pro-abortion types who are catholic, like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden?

Ishii

 

[severus68]

Or Margaret Thatcher. Or Mother Theresa. Or any other female saint.

She was an out of town senator, the Sec. of State responsible for the Benghazi attacks, and married a philandering pervert of a man, who embarrassed her on national television.

I can think of better role models than HRC.

“Thatcher, Thatcher milk snatcher” in the same category as Mother Theresa? No disrespect to the dead but not by any stretch.

 

[severus68]

If you’ve got a problem with it, take it up with Clinton. What he did was indeed crude.

Objectively speaking, I have yet to see a single post from you in any thread that is any sort of invitation to a mature discussion.

Let’s not get personal - against Forum rules for one thing.

 

[severus68]

You should respect her because unlike most leaders, she is pro-life and walks the walk. She is an amazing and powerful pro-life example. As such, she absolutely deserves your respect, even if not for her political or necessarily her intellectual depth. Perhaps you could let us know what you dislike about her? Surely its not that she is a powerful pro-life example to counter the pro-abortion types who are catholic, like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden?

Ishii

I don’t have to like her nor does she deserve my respect. I would respect and greatly admire a non-politician with very little money or support who brings up a special needs child and there are many. I am not from the US and I dislike politics.