Saturated fat DOESN’T cause heart disease after all: Scientists say foods such as butter have been unfairly demonised

[qui_est_ce]

I think even if you don’t spend all your time exercising and burning calories a high-fat diet might not be bad for you, at least partly because eating fatty foods satiates your appetite so you eat less.

The body does not turn dietary fat into glucose. When you reduce carbs, the body is forced to burn body fat for energy.

 

[Deus_tecum]

The body does not turn dietary fat into glucose. When you reduce carbs, the body is forced to burn body fat for energy.

Precisely and here is my experience.

High carb diet: Hungry 2 hours after breakfast and ravenous and irritable by noon.

Low carb diet: Mild hunger around 1PM that gets a bit more by 2PM, but then drops away and I can go to 5 or 6 pm. I think when the mild hunger stops is when my body is burning fat.

I do not get very scientific about it but before I got into it, I read all the science, but then stopped trying to justify it since…it works!

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

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Guidelines urging people to avoid fat to stave off heart disease ‘are wrong’

• There is no evidence of a link between saturated fat and heart disease
• Healthy polyunsaturated fats also do not reduce heart disease risk
• A dairy fat ‘significantly reduces’ heart disease risk

Thoughts?

As with any study, the parameters of the study must be completely understood before drawing any conclusions. Also, a major problem with many studies is they focus on single-cause and effect. Sorry to inform these “scientists,” but that is not the way the human body works. And that’s one of the many reasons western medicine is turning into any ever more increasingly expensive utter failure.

It’s easy to understand the way the human body works. Start with the most basic question: What does the human body need to survive?

So, in this case, the question is: Does the human body need dietary saturated fatty acids to survive? The answer is no.

In general, if the body does not need something in the diet, and it obtained from the diet, notably in excessive amounts, it will have an adverse effect on health.

 

[quiet52]

My neurologist told me that low-fat diets harm our brain and central nervous system.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

My neurologist told me that low-fat diets harm our brain and central nervous system.

That’s only true if, and only if, that low-fat diet is deficient in the essential fatty acids that are obtained from one’s diet (i.e., not manufactured by the body). Low-fat diets that have the proper amounts of essential fatty acids do not harm one’s nervous system.

 

[Deus_tecum]

Lewis & Clark’s men ate between 6 and 9 lbs of meat per day while on expedition and most of them lived long lives.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

Lewis & Clark’s men ate between 6 and 9 lbs of meat per day while on expedition and most of them lived long lives.

They were eating unprocessed meats combined with a very physically demanding lifestyle…not very applicable to the couch potato that eats high-fat meats containing all sorts of chemicals.

Few people eat lean wild game in modern society, unless they hunt for it themselves.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

Of course Atkins had lived to an average age for a male, and died of a heart attack. My grandfather ate a very low fat diet, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day from the age of 16 onward, and lived longer.

The only real reason we have the discussions and studies is because we live and eat in an environment that it not natural to us, and researchers are noting connections between our habits and our health.

Many people like to reference these studies to simply go against the grain, or even to justify their habits. But common sense is in order. In my own life, most of my peers that ate high-saturated from early on had serious health problems by the time they hit their mid-40s; some are even dead. OTOH, the older people I know that ate healthy and exercised are still active in the 80s. When studies go against everyday common sense, I greet them with pessimism.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Of course Atkins had lived to an average age for a male, and died of a heart attack. My grandfather ate a very low fat diet, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day from the age of 16 onward, and lived longer.

The only real reason we have the discussions and studies is because we live and eat in an environment that it not natural to us, and researchers are noting connections between our habits and our health.

Many people like to reference these studies to simply go against the grain, or even to justify their habits. But common sense is in order. In my own life, most of my peers that ate high-saturated from early on had serious health problems by the time they hit their mid-40s; some are even dead. OTOH, the older people I know that ate healthy and exercised are still active in the 80s. When studies go against everyday common sense, I greet them with pessimism.

Atkins did not die of a heart attack. He died of cardiomyopathy.

Atkins’ personal physician and cardiologist, Dr. Patrick Fratellone, confirmed this assertion, saying “We have been treating this condition, cardiomyopathy, for almost two years. Clearly, [Atkins’] own nutritional protocols have left him, at the age of 71, with an extraordinarily healthy cardiovascular system”.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_(nutritionist

Read the studies that show people’s cholesterol levels and blood pressure actually went down on the Atkin’s diet.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Jim Fixx died of a heart attack at the age of 52. He had blocked arteries.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

Atkins did not die of a heart attack. He died of cardiomyopathy.

I should have stated heart failure. The point is he died at an average age for a male; i.e., the diet does not appear to have extended his life.

Read the studies that show people’s cholesterol levels and blood pressure actually went down on the Atkin’s diet.

FWIW, simply getting people off of the standard high-fat, high-cholesterol western diet will reduce blood pressure and cholesterol; methodology doesn’t matter if that is the sole standard. When it comes to diet, I’m more focused on disease prevention and higher quality of life as one ages.

Fact is, saturated fats and cholesterol are not needed in one’s diet, and one can, and many do, survive quite healthy without them.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

Jim Fixx died of a heart attack at the age of 52. He had blocked arteries.

My father-in-law had a heart issue, and doctor’s did exploratory surgery using scopes at age 90. They were completed stunned at what they saw: no blockage, no plaques. That’s what happens when one eats a low-fat diet and exercises on a daily basis.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I should have stated heart failure. The point is he died at an average age for a male; i.e., the diet does not appear to have extended his life.

It was a heart infection. No amount of diet could have prevented that.

FWIW, simply getting people off of the standard high-fat, high-cholesterol western diet will reduce blood pressure and cholesterol; methodology doesn’t matter if that is the sole standard. When it comes to diet, I’m more focused on disease prevention and higher quality of life as one ages.

The studies simply do not prove this at all. I have been on an ultra low-fat diet, for years, and my blood pressure keeps rising. I eat nothing white - no white bread, no potatoes, no white rice yet my LDL is high.

Fact is, saturated fats and cholesterol are not needed in one’s diet, and one can, and many do, survive quite healthy without them.

True, but the issue is does a diet high in fat and cholesterol cause heart disease?

Breast milk is high in fat and cholesterol. We need it!

 

[qui_est_ce]

My father-in-law had a heart issue, and doctor’s did exploratory surgery using scopes at age 90. They were completed stunned at what they saw: no blockage, no plaques. That’s what happens when one eats a low-fat diet and exercises on a daily basis.

What are you saying here? He had no clogged arteries, but still had heart issues?

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

The studies simply do not prove this at all. I have been on an ultra low-fat diet, for years, and my blood pressure keeps rising. I eat nothing white - no white bread, no potatoes, no white rice yet my LDL is high.

I can’t comment on your particular situation with seeing a sample of what you are eating on a daily basis, and your exercise regimen. That can be caused by several factors, such a high-protein diet with certain types of protein. If there are health issues involved, I recommend seeing a D.O. with nutritional training.

True, but the issue is does a diet high in fat and cholesterol cause heart disease?

That appears to be the case. Review studies that involve examining ethnic groups living in the U.S., where the grandparents live a lifestyle similar to where they they came from, and the grandchildren live a western lifestyle. The effects of diet and exercise on one’s health will be very pronounced.

Breast milk is high in fat and cholesterol. We need it!

Milk is for the infants of a species; not adults. Children’s bodies are also very different from adult, and what is true of children is not true of adults.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

What are you saying here? He had no clogged arteries, but still had heart issues?

I’m saying a 90-year-old man’s body was failing him. Believe it or not, human bodies by design will fail at some point.

I’m also saying that he didn’t follow Dr. Atkin’s advice, and ended up living more than two decades older than Dr. Atkins.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Dr Atkins did not die from a heart attack.

He died from complications which resulted in a head injury he received when he slipped on ice and injured himself.

On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Atkins slipped on an icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care before dying on April 17, 2003, from complications from his head injury.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_%28nutritionist%29#Death

After his death, a group which had connections with PETA, illegally obtained the autopsy report, misunderstood it, claimed he was overweight and died of heart disease. The fact is, he was overweight because of the drugs he was on while in a coma, which caused fluid retention. The fact is, he was in good health before his fall.

Years before, he had a heart infection not caused by diet.

Also, Dr Atkins himself never claimed his diet was his, but always said it was the diet promoted by the American Medical Association before 1973. He needed to loose a few pounds and looked up the AMA diet which called for reducing carbohydrates from breads and starches like potatoes.

Anyway, it turns out he was right on.

Jim

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

Years before, he had a heart infection not caused by diet.

We don’t know that. Diet affects immune function.

Also, Dr Atkins himself never claimed his diet was his, but always said it was the diet promoted by the American Medical Association before 1973. He needed to loose a few pounds and looked up the AMA diet which called for reducing carbohydrates from breads and starches like potatoes.

Anyway, it turns out he was right on.

Jim

As noted earlier, simply moving away from the typical western diet will improve one’s health.

Other people are more right…Dr. McDougall had a heart attack several decades ago in his early 20s, and is doing quite fine now. He’s a supporter of the vegan (very low fat) diet, and doesn’t just treat diseases, but cures them.

There is no problem with carbs, provided they are from natural, unprocessed sources. There is a huge problem with processed carbs.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

TheWarriorMonk

We don’t know that. Diet affects immune function.

Yes we do know it because Dr Atkins himself explained the heart infection he got while visiting South America, and it was explained on his website.

As noted earlier, simply moving away from the typical western diet will improve one’s health.

The typical diet recommended by the AMA before 1973, was essentially the Atkins Diet.

Other people are more right…Dr. McDougall had a heart attack several decades ago in his early 20s, and is doing quite fine now. He’s a supporter of the vegan (very low fat) diet, and doesn’t just treat diseases, but cures them.

There is no problem with carbs, provided they are from natural, unprocessed sources. There is a huge problem with processed carbs.

Well not entirely true. Too many fruits, which should be treated as nature’s candy, can cause an increase in weight do to fructose, which is sugar.

Potatoes and corn will also make you fat. How do you think they fatten cows and pigs ?

With corn mostly.

Jim

 

[JonNC]

dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2582867/Saturated-fat-DOESNT-cause-heart-disease-all.html

Guidelines urging people to avoid fat to stave off heart disease ‘are wrong’

• There is no evidence of a link between saturated fat and heart disease
• Healthy polyunsaturated fats also do not reduce heart disease risk
• A dairy fat ‘significantly reduces’ heart disease risk

Thoughts?

I for one have never believed saturated fat is bad, I use lard for frying and baking, I use butter for baking too and for sandwiches and I love suet dumplings and puddings. Also beef fat makes great chips (French fries) Fat on steaks? chicken skin? I eat it all.

I thought this was settled science. You know, like man-made climate change.

Jon