Sauk City-area priests inspiring some, alienating others

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In 2006 the bishop of the Diocese of Madison in Wisconsin invited conservative priests of the Society of Jesus Christ the Priest, an order based in Spain, into parishes. This newspaper article from a Madison daily reports on what has been happening since then.
By the way, please do not make personal attacks on other posters on this thread.
This newspaper article is at
host.madison.com/news/local/article_56b0b7d7-c2d5-5962-a105-72d464d9f1ea.html
 
Oh Rah! Go Bishop Morlino. We really need more priests like this. Can I ask one thing of everyone? Would you please go over, to the latest article (host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_1b804b84-e86b-11df-9abf-001cc4c03286.html) and leave positive comments in support of Bishop Morlino and these holy priests? I know Bishop, and have talked to and been with these priests many times, and they are holy, solid, orthodox, good priests. As it says in the article, they are “being treated very terribly”. Also, if it is in their means, would you donate to their school, which will close, unless they raise $200,000 by January? (stmaryplatteville.org/, right side-bar)

Thanks!
 
Very good article. Unfortunately, it sounds like attendance has taken a hit. Hopefully that will turn around as people get used to this group and it’s particular charism.
 
While I am not a fan of reverting to Latin, the structural changes being made speak of a more pure and fervent faith. Everyone moans about the lack of Priests, but the minute someone actually does something about it, the knives come out! Sadly, it is completely predictable that the liberal, worldly Catholics instantly feel “victimized”. I see the paper even tracked down a dissenting nun to express her disdain. Although I wish that none of them leave, they are certainly free to do so if their “conscience” does not allow them to remain.

Praise to the Bishop! We need many more with as much fortitude.
 
Awesome! Praise be to God forever! :extrahappy:

We need some of these priests in some of the more liberal dioceses of the Church! It’s time to purify the Church of the heretics! 👍👍
 
mdgspencer said:
In 2006 the bishop of the Diocese of Madison in Wisconsin invited conservative priests of the Society of Jesus Christ the Priest, an order based in Spain, into parishes. This newspaper article from a Madison daily reports on what has been happening since then.
By the way, please do not make personal attacks on other posters on this thread.
This newspaper article is at
host.madison.com/news/local/article_56b0b7d7-c2d5-5962-a105-72d464d9f1ea.html
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People get upset because they have been de-tuned for the last 50 years. I can imagine a 30 year old, trained of nothing, getting thrown in to a Tridentine Mass. Or hearing a homily that questions to sanctity and validity of fornication. The world turned upside down!
 
“the Rev. Steven Avella, a history professor at Marquette University in Milwaukee and a Catholic priest … said…Hiring foreign priests, however, is not uncommon - many U.S. dioceses are recruiting from “priest-rich” areas such as the Philippines and Nigeria to address a shortage”
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This is nonsense. In terms of numbers of priests per head of Catholic population, the Phillippines is one of the most “priest-poor” countries in the world and the USA is one of the most “priest-rich” countries in the world.
 
Some context might help paint the picture.

When I went to school in Madison from 1989 to 1993, (a previous bishop was nominally in charge at the time) the catholic Newmann Center (St. Paul’s) in Madison had a woman ‘pastoral associate’ that effectively ran the place. She vested (no stole) for mass, she gave homilies, she stood beside the priest with raised hand and mouthed the words of the consecration, she instituted ‘improvements’ to the Lords prayer (Our Father / Our Mother God, who art in heaven…), we had leavened bread with a bit of honey in it for communion, EVERY communion recipient was an EMHC for the person behind him in line, large piles of crumbs were clearly visible on the floor after communion (which shocks me less now that I have come to believe it was invalid matter)…

You get the idea. This is the kind of thing that was tolerated without comment in the Madison diocese when I lived there. Bishop Morlino had a VERY tough job handed to him. Sounds like one doozy of an improvement out there!
 
manualman said:
You get the idea. This is the kind of thing that was tolerated without comment in the Madison diocese when I lived there. Bishop Morlino had a VERY tough job handed to him. Sounds like one doozy of an improvement out there!
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Such practices were oh so comforting in this world, but bound to be ever so disquieting in the next. The Seattle Archdiocese had some of these same problems in the 1980s. Our Archbishop was stripped of his powers and replaced.
 
The Archbishop of Seattle was NOT removed from his office because of any practices within the parishes. You really should not mention things like that, without providing the REAL REASONS FOR THE ACTION TAKEN.
 
I live in Madison and saw the article in the paper. I’ve also seen firsthand what sweeping changes in the churches is doing to people here. I feel for the priests who are being treated poorly. I also know that the history of the church in Madison is more complex than some of the posters here know from reading this article. People who were active in the faith for many many years (granted while liturgical abuses were happening which we didn’t know were abuses) to respond positively instantly to what feels to them like having the rug pulled out from under them.
 
manualman said:
Some context might help paint the picture.

When I went to school in Madison from 1989 to 1993, (a previous bishop was nominally in charge at the time) the catholic Newmann Center (St. Paul’s) in Madison had a woman ‘pastoral associate’ that effectively ran the place. She vested (no stole) for mass, she gave homilies, she stood beside the priest with raised hand and mouthed the words of the consecration, she instituted ‘improvements’ to the Lords prayer (Our Father / Our Mother God, who art in heaven…), we had leavened bread with a bit of honey in it for communion, EVERY communion recipient was an EMHC for the person behind him in line, large piles of crumbs were clearly visible on the floor after communion (which shocks me less now that I have come to believe it was invalid matter)…
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Unreal. These stories of extreme abuse never cease to shock.

Bravo to Bishop Morlino. May he continue to clean up this diocese and may he continue to make the liberals extremely uncomfortable.
 
Truth_Fully said:
Unreal. These stories of extreme abuse never cease to shock.
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And yet, the Holy Spirit was working overtime in those days in this church. Masses were standing room only and many students and others started coming to church and came to know God. I know, I was there.
 
Dang I would love to give those Priests and that Bishop of peace of my mind…which is eternally grateful for thier standing up for the fullness of truth! 👍

God willing we will see more and more Bishops and Priests like these. What I would give for this to happen at my Parish 😦
 
AnneTeresa said:
And yet, the Holy Spirit was working overtime in those days in this church. Masses were standing room only and many students and others started coming to church and came to know God. I know, I was there.
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Must have been a different time frame from me. Mass wasn’t full and the student group held no appeal to me. Seemed more about feeling good about oneself than giving up oneself for the sake of Christ. I mostly gave up on St. Paul’s in about 1991 and generally went to a less university oriented parish closer to the catholic hospital (name escapes me).

And the architectural rape of that church was tragic too. They turned a perfectly nice place into a brutalist-wannabe architecture of drab banality. (Even bishop Weakland would have been jealous) Even the stations of the cross were abstacted to the point of unrecognizability. At that point, why bother? Most movie theaters have a greater sense of transcendence.
 
AnneTeresa said:
And yet, the Holy Spirit was working overtime in those days in this church. Masses were standing room only and many students and others started coming to church and came to know God. I know, I was there.
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But this certainly cannot be a justification for sacrilege? I feel for those who were/are led into error by clergy and religious and do not know better. However, this does not mean we can condone their actions and allow them to continue to perpetuate heretical behavior.

A lot of heretical and/or evil gatherings draw large crowds that gather in the name of God.

It seems that you realize the aforementioned abuses were just that - abuses. It must pain you now to realize what had been going on then, no?
 
manualman said:
And the architectural rape of that church was tragic too. They turned a perfectly nice place into a brutalist-wannabe architecture of drab banality. (Even bishop Weakland would have been jealous) Even the stations of the cross were abstacted to the point of unrecognizability. At that point, why bother? Most movie theaters have a greater sense of transcendence.
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and we’re paying for it now. Our gorgeous German gothic church was turned into some kind of protestant nightmare. Our beautiful statues disappeared and our stations of the cross sculptures were replaced with alexander calder style mobiles. It was hideous. Now it is costing the parish a fortune to restore our church to its original glory.

The ‘let’s make it fun’ concept of worship is a failure. I prefer the ‘let’s make it Holy’ concept of worship.
 
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