Say "No" to TV

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Yes, the anti-TV movement is growing rapidly among Christians in England. I call it E thical W itness and it has nothing to do with E ternal W ord which I have no desire to see.Too much that is broadcast refuses to respect rules…they tell us about paedophiles at about 7 P.M., they allow paedophiles to state their supposed cases with no warning or qualification,police dramas seep with anti-social violence and racism on the part of the officers and soap opera replaces reality for everyone …now it deals badly with inappropriate issues…there was a show in which a supposedly Catholic woman went and obtained a teenager’s abortion.The same soap also treated incest between a girl and her brother like a shampoo commercial…you’re none the less pretty…it was unbearable.

It’s gone…I don’t waste my time any more.

The man asking about MASH-that’s gone long ago, or are you hooked to the repeats ?(reruns?)
 
Faithful 2 Rome:
Tv like most anything else in moderation is fine… and with all the reality junk, there isnt much on anyway… but I DO like some shows and aint about to give up TV on a permanent basis. We NEED to have cable or we simply DONT get a clear picture… we would need to get a roof antenna if we canceled cable…and if I did that…no more EWTN??? nope…aint gonna happen… plus, there’ Fox News on Cable… I need news PERSPECTIVE not useless news readers…ie…Cronkite…Jennings, Rather…AND…there’s STILL another season left for the Sopranos! the ULTIMATE DYSFUNCTIONAL CATHOLIC FAMILY!!! I needs my mobster fix… 😛

PLUS>>

I aint giving up…Everybody Loves Raymond, King of Queens, Still Standing, American Idol… 😛

I’m a HUGE dvd collector…but there is still some halfway decent stuff on TV…aint knocking those who dont have a use for it…but those who love it shouldnt be condemned either. 😃
SInce you have a computer, how about streamlink ETWN from their Web page? The only factor is what kind of Internet service do you have? To streamlink ETWN you will need a Cable 'ugh" or DSL (from the phone company) I’d rather pay the phone company than the cable company!

As in my original post, I gave up TV after my father went into the hospital, knowing that he wasn’t coming back home (died 1 1/2 months after). Yet I had only had the cable on for him to watch the sports and local news. Even by that time, I wasn’t watching much anyway.

Today, I mostly use my TV to help me read text and an ocassional B&W or classic movie or religious tape from ETWN.

Go with God!
Edwin
P.S. Who is Raymond?
 
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Edwin1961:
SInce you have a computer, how about streamlink ETWN from their Web page? The only factor is what kind of Internet service do you have? To streamlink ETWN you will need a Cable 'ugh" or DSL (from the phone company) I’d rather pay the phone company than the cable company!
The computer can be a great thing but similar to the TV it is very, very, very easy to abuse. I think I have been spending far too much time on this forum.
 
Dear Edwin,
We haven’t had TV for a few years. First I would shut the cable off in the summer months, then turn it back on for the football season and off again in the spring.(I live where you don’t get TV reception and must rely on cable or a dish)

I noticed that each Fall, when I would turn the TV back on, there would be a noticable change for the worse in the standards for sexual content. I think you notice it more when it’s been off for 6 months.

Then, I started working parttime evening shifts two days a week. This was after my husband had died and my teenage sons would babysit my daughters and put them to bed. They are very good boys, but apparently they couldn’t resist watching Drew Carey, which I had told them was forbidden around my girls, who were very young. So, finally I just shut off the cable.

We used the VCR until it broke the next summer. Then, I threw away the TV. My sons are now in college and my duaghters are 8 and 10 and never ask about TV. They spend their time reading and playing.

TV is a tool of Satan, IMO.
 
Dear Shemp,
LOL, one of my friday sacrifices is no computer. I agree, the computer can be a destraction from a life of prayer, even a positive forum such as this.
Sincerely WhiteDove
 
When my children were very young, we never had cable.

We then had it for a few yrs, but cancelled again 1 yr or so ago. We are planning to get it back next week. I miss EWTN! and Discovery Channel…and occasionally just a good movie or cartoon with no educational value whatsoever.

Just because we are getting cable TV doesnt mean it’ll be on all day. Most days it not on **AT ALL ** until after dinner. It is not a substitute for other activities.
 
T.V. is not a tool of Satan, it is just a creature. An invention. It is being used by the Devil, but it can also be used by God. It is being used by God. St. Paul would have loved to use it to evalgelize. Many do. Check out this website: www.familyland.org and see.
 
Two thoughts come to mind:
  1. When our kids were little, we were forced by economic necessity to cancel the Cable for a time. The children howled like wounded animals, but the VCR was in good shape, so we all discovered some great OLD movies at our local library. The young ones were amazed at the classic musicals and compelling stories from the days when writers couldn’t throw in a sex scene or a stream of profanity when the storyline got dull. I got to share my love of Laurel & Hardy with kids who’d never heard of them. All in all, it was a fairly positive experience.
  2. I’ve worked on the fringes of the media (mostly advertising) for awhile, and can tell you part of the reason for the current state of affairs: The purpose of nearly everything on the tube is to Train The Audience; the programs are loaded with gentle little bits of propaganda designed to reinforce prejudices, shape buying and voting habits, and so on.
Advertisers know that, in the average family, women make 80% of the buying decisions. Their massive economic power is followed by that of adolescent girls. Pre-marriage-age boys and young men, and their fathers, make up a close and somewhat distant 3rd and 4th place in value to advertisers. Contrary to popular belief, “Public” television – in which programs are “…made possible by a grant from Giganto Corporation and ‘viewers like you’” – is not an “alternative”, but merely offers more of the same, under the guise of seemingly “non-commercial” fare. This is why, in Television-land, Men Are Idiots (even “Spike TV”, supposedly “for men”, fails to present males as anything but pleasure-driven mooks), Teens are Cool, and Women are Savvy and Empowered.

Industry trade magazines knew about the supposed “Gay Rights” movement decades before the general public. Why? Because gays and lesbians – at that time – made roughly $11,000 more annually than “straights” according to the research data, of that had more disposable income than “straights”, and (despite the existence of something called “log-cabin” [gay and lesbian] Republicans) formed a voting bloc that consistently supported left-wing causes. It had – and has – nothing to do with Rights (as defined *on paper * in the US Constitution) whatsoever.

Roughly ninety percent of everything we are allowed to see and hear in the so-called “mainstream” media is controlled by six increasingly-monopolistic corporations – and the number gets smaller over the years (it used to be eleven corporations; before that, it was over twenty, and so on…).

For some, it would take some intestinal fortitude (and for me, unfortunately, it would mean less employment), but maybe a Boycott Of The Industry wouldn’t be a bad thing after all. 🙂
 
TV, like just about anything else, is neutral. It can be a tool for Satan OR a tool for Evangelization. *How * you use it determines the Good/Evilness of it.

It falls upon the parents to strictly monitor how it is used/what is being watched. Too often, it is used as a poor babysitter; just turn it on. It takes a little effort to develop a “curriculum” for your children to read, study, pray, etc.; but once you get in the habit, it becomes second nature.

-JohnDeP.
 
I used to love tv but then it just got bad. There are a handful of shows that i watched. I watched Buffy, Angel, and friends that are all off the air. The only shows I watch are Law and Order on occasion and young and the restless which my mom got me into when i was about 4 because she watched it at dinner time. I barely watch it now. All i really watch is much music, which is a canadian music video channel like MTV, but it’s being cancelled very soon. When that happens, i might not even watch tv at all. I’m getting sick of my lack of creativity. I used to be so musical, making my own compositions, writing songs and poetry. Now I can’t even do that because my creativity has been sucked out of my head.

When I have kids, I’ll only let them watch movies because then you can monitor the content and how much they watch. There are some really good movies out there.
 
I agree that TV isn’t evil–it’s a tool.

But it’s a tool that gets its profit from pornography, a tool that forces you to pay for MTV and Bravo (and soon, Logo!) even if all you watch is EWTN.

It’s like saying–garbage isn’t evil, it’s just a byproduct of our society…which is TRUE…

But do you PAY to pump garbage into your house???

Then why PAY for TV to come in??

If you need to relax, read a book, start a hobby.

For nursing moms, I keep a book handy to read a few pages while I nurse the baby.

Our TV (as I said above) is almost dead, and we won’t replace it when it goes. When I told our babysitter, she couldn’t speak. :eek: Imagine! She’ll have to PLAY with the kids!! :rotfl:

Everyone makes their own decisions on this, of course. I would just like to encourage all those of you who are addicted to TV–sports, Raymond, MASH, whatever–to try the only-watch-what-you-tape route for a week or two. See how it affects your priorities. I bet you don’t miss it as much as you think you will!!

👍
 
Television shows are not all alike. There are very good shows, and very bad shows. It’s a bit like a library or news stand; the good, bad, and the ugly are all available. We have the power of discernment and choice. Use it.
 
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Ken:
Television shows are not all alike. There are very good shows, and very bad shows. It’s a bit like a library or news stand; the good, bad, and the ugly are all available. We have the power of discernment and choice. Use it.
There used to be a time, say in the early sixties and maybe even later, when all the television shows were at least not objectionable in moral terms. Certainly that no longer held by halfway through the seventies, with the rise of raunchy sit-coms.

Anyway, even in the halcyon days of television there was a problem: watching too much of it. The problem today is not just that such a high proportion of the programs is morally objectionable but that even the ones that aren’t have taken over many people’s lives (as happened in the sixties too).

When I used to watch television, I didn’t watch the objectionable stuff. I watched the good stuff. But I watched too much. I can think back now on whole evenings in a row being devoted to sitting in front of the tube. The shows I watched may not have injured me, but, in retrospect, I have to say that almost none of them helped me, at least in the way that a good book would have.

I ended up wasting thousands of hours that I could have used to feed my mind, exercise my body, appreciate the outdoors, write letters to friends, pray …
 
I do like to watch Smallville, and Joan of Arcadia, and some good documentaries on PBS.
There is no way I can take the commercials on regular TV.
By cutting down on my TV watching, I am reading more, which is more impotant than watching the Boob-tube.
 
I’m always amazed at people’s reactions when I tell them we don’t have a TV (Haven’t had one since we’ve been married).

They pretty much say “good for you!”. Of course, I’m thinking in the back of my head: If it’s so good of me, if that is such a good thing to do, THEN WHY DON’T YOU DO IT?!

Simple: They are addicted. It is the same conversation with smokers, alcoholics, whatever. Addiction. Did you ever notice that when a TV is in the room, it orients all the furniture around it so that the room almost appears to BOW DOWN to it?

It’s amazing how the subtleness of advertisers is not so subtle when you aren’t being soaked in it all day long. The odd time I do watch TV (Grandparents, etc.)

The difference in our kids is noticably different, especially in regards to attention span and social abilities (They are 3 1/2 and 1)…Yes, the difference is tangible at this age.

Kill your TV.

Save your Family’s life.
 
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Columba:
I’m always amazed at people’s reactions when I tell them we don’t have a TV (Haven’t had one since we’ve been married).

They pretty much say “good for you!”. Of course, I’m thinking in the back of my head: If it’s so good of me, if that is such a good thing to do, THEN WHY DON’T YOU DO IT?!

Simple: They are addicted. It is the same conversation with smokers, alcoholics, whatever. Addiction. Did you ever notice that when a TV is in the room, it orients all the furniture around it so that the room almost appears to BOW DOWN to it?

It’s amazing how the subtleness of advertisers is not so subtle when you aren’t being soaked in it all day long. The odd time I do watch TV (Grandparents, etc.)

The difference in our kids is noticably different, especially in regards to attention span and social abilities (They are 3 1/2 and 1)…Yes, the difference is tangible at this age.

Kill your TV.

Save your Family’s life.
I realize that Scientific American has many heresies but they had a great article about TV addiction in the 2/2002 issue. They mentioned a study (I am paraphrasing since I haven’t read the article recently) where they called people while they were watching TV and asked them to describe their mood. When they call people while watching TV the people described their mood as “mellow”, “comfortable”, “relaxed”. When they called people just after finishing watching TV they described their mood as “aggitated”, “anxious”, and often “unhappy”.

They contrasted this to how people feel on & off drugs and on & off exercise. On drugs people feel relaxed, mellow, and comfortable. Coming off of drugs they feel aggitated, etc. On exercise people feel pumped up. Off of exercise you feel relaxed.

Exercise is nature’s drug. Throw away the TV and drugs!
 
Ok, here’s the rub…we do not watch a lot of TV, but there are shows we enjoy, including FOX News. I love old movies and reruns of Columbo and Murder She Wrote. But I am constantly offended by the content on Cable. I agree with Karl Keating’s earlier post, use to be you could count on TV shows at least not having objectionable material, not to be offensive. Now they seem to out-do each other weekly.

I am a member of the Parents Television Council, and I try to be active and email and write letters. We’ve had some success, but it is a long haul. Even if you monitor the programs ( I watch my 4 yr. old g-daughter) you can get a commercial in the middle of it that is bad. Sometimes very bad. So we are contemplating canceling our cable, and just not having TV. I wouldn’t mind if we could get shows like EWTN, but they won’t put it on in our area! Are there any alternatives out there?
Also, are any of you tired of people saying, “Just shut it off!” Why not demand better from the people producing it and the advertisers who support it? Just curious.
 
Nana Rose:
Ok, here’s the rub…we do not watch a lot of TV, but there are shows we enjoy, including FOX News. I love old movies and reruns of Columbo and Murder She Wrote. But I am constantly offended by the content on Cable. I agree with Karl Keating’s earlier post, use to be you could count on TV shows at least not having objectionable material, not to be offensive. Now they seem to out-do each other weekly.

I am a member of the Parents Television Council, and I try to be active and email and write letters. We’ve had some success, but it is a long haul. Even if you monitor the programs ( I watch my 4 yr. old g-daughter) you can get a commercial in the middle of it that is bad. Sometimes very bad. So we are contemplating canceling our cable, and just not having TV. I wouldn’t mind if we could get shows like EWTN, but they won’t put it on in our area! Are there any alternatives out there?
Also, are any of you tired of people saying, “Just shut it off!” Why not demand better from the people producing it and the advertisers who support it? Just curious.
Streamline ETWN, so you won’t be lost without it!

Edwin
 
Karl Keating:
There used to be a time, say in the early sixties and maybe even later, when all the television shows were at least not objectionable in moral terms. Certainly that no longer held by halfway through the seventies, with the rise of raunchy sit-coms.

Anyway, even in the halcyon days of television there was a problem: watching too much of it. The problem today is not just that such a high proportion of the programs is morally objectionable but that even the ones that aren’t have taken over many people’s lives (as happened in the sixties too).

When I used to watch television, I didn’t watch the objectionable stuff. I watched the good stuff. But I watched too much. I can think back now on whole evenings in a row being devoted to sitting in front of the tube. The shows I watched may not have injured me, but, in retrospect, I have to say that almost none of them helped me, at least in the way that a good book would have.

I ended up wasting thousands of hours that I could have used to feed my mind, exercise my body, appreciate the outdoors, write letters to friends, pray …
I would suggest that the quantity of good and excellent shows today is far greater than it was in those thrilling days of yesteryear. At the same time, I would also say the quantity of garbage is much hgher, too.

Much the same is true of the internet, where there are now billions of sites. The internet is loaded with garbage, and it is also loaded with incredible information and opportunity.

I have an Apple iPod with thousands of songs on it and it sits in my shirt pocket.

We have opportunity that has never been available before, and the test is learning how to use the tools at our disposal. As you pointed out, content and the discipline to utilize that content are two very different things.

Let me recommend TIVO. It turns TV into a completely different experience. One can scan schedules in advance and capture the best shows for viewing at any subsequent time. Then the best drama, the best documentaries, the best news, and the best kids TV is at hand at any time of the day or night. And when there are 300 channels on cable, there are really many diamonds buried among the cinders. (And, yes, it still takes discipline.)
 
Congratulations! My wife and I cancelled our cable just before Lent (okay, we were upset with Comcast’s punitive monthly rate increases, but that’s not the point). Truly, there is nothing on cable worth almost $50 a month, either of moral or entertainment value. (Although I do miss ESPN something fierce).

At any rate, we have not missed it one bit. For the first time in my life, I have discovered the joy of reading (since network television is pretty shoddy to begin with), and there is PEACE in our house! We spend more time together, we feel less frazzled going to bed, and I feel like a huge burden has been lifted (we’re paying for it, we have to watch!). Ultimately, we spent the bulk of our time watching “Law and Order” reruns, FOX News, and MTV “Road Rules”. “Trading Spaces” got old quick, and BBC America was void of any value except for “The Office” and the occasional “Mystery!” installment…

Funny, though, life miraculously did not come to an end. After thirty-three years of being enslavened by the “tube”, I feel free…
 
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