SC monks to end egg farm after PETA criticism

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Associated Press - December 20, 2007 5:25 PM ET

MONCKS CORNER, S.C. (AP) - A monastery in South Carolina will give up its egg farming business after criticism from a Virginia-based animal rights group that claimed the Trappist monks mistreated hens.

The Reverend Stan Gumula of Mepkin Abbey said in a statement yesterday that pressure from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has made it difficult for the monks to live a quiet life of prayer, work and sacred reading.

He said the egg farm business will be phased out over 18 months and they will look for a new business to pay their bills.

wdbj7.com/global/story.asp?s=7526641

I read the story in Our Sunday Vistor this week. Trappist Monks, who are vegetarians, were the targets of PETA. Go figrue!

Jim
 
This whole thing just ticks me off.

I read the OSV article too. I’d very much like PETA to be a little more consistent in whom they protest.
 
Hopefully the good monks will consider a veal farm instead of eggs in order to make ends meat, err meet.
 
Hopefully the good monks will consider a veal farm instead of eggs in order to make ends meat, err meet.
Or maybe Foie Gras :rolleyes:

FWIW, I am under the impression that most chicken farms cull the roosters (because they don’t lay eggs!!!) and that most chicken farms clip the beaks of the laying chickens. So basically PETA is simply picketing the monks for farming the way everyone else farms!!!
 
People Eating Tasting Animals strikes again.
LOL I thought it was

People Eating Tasty Animals 😃

Peta has been responisble for more animal suffering then any other orginizaqtion. Google PETA and you will find many times that they have been responsible for animals suffering and they are not a NO KILL SHELTER.
 
LOL I thought it was

People Eating Tasty Animals 😃

Peta has been responisble for more animal suffering then any other orginizaqtion. Google PETA and you will find many times that they have been responsible for animals suffering and they are not a NO KILL SHELTER.
Oops…that’s what I meant. :o
 
FWIW, I am under the impression that most chicken farms cull the roosters (because they don’t lay eggs!!!) and that most chicken farms clip the beaks of the laying chickens. So basically PETA is simply picketing the monks for farming the way everyone else farms!!!
Yes, when PETA broke the “news” (about a year ago) it was established that the monks were following accepted standards. PETA wanted the monks to do better than factory farming.

However, a boutique operation will not generate the income necessary to support a good sized monastery such as Mepkin Abbey. PETA’s actions will not do anything to improve the quality of egg operations in the United States. The eggs not produced by the monks will be produced by someone else… and those persons will follow the same industry standards that the monks followed.
 
This is horrible news. I took a retreat at Mepkin it’s a wonderful place.

PS to the guy about the Veal. Trappist are vegetarian I don’t think they’d be good Veal farmers.
 
They don’t cut the beaks off. They couldn’t eat if people did that. They clip the upper part back just a bit past the tip of the lower part so the chickens don’t peck each other to death. The lower part is hinged, so the power of a blow (peck) is all in the fixed upper part, which is also sharp. Chickens are aggressive predators, and cannibalistic by nature. I have seen them kill and eat snakes, and they’re very good at it. Good thing they’re small, or we would all be in trouble. There are no nerves in that tip end, so clipping them back a trifle is no more painful than clipping one’s toenails.

Sounds to me as if the chickens didn’t live much differently from the monks. Doubtless they were fed more generously.

Interesting to think of the fate to which PETA would consign the world’s people by depriving us of animal protein. Children, in particular, would have a very difficult time of it without animal products in their diets. But I suppose the welfare of people is of no concern to PETA.
 
The only reason PETA took on the monks is because they saw them as an easy target in their psychotic mission. They knew the monks wouldn’t have the money to fight them, nor the aggressive mind set, as a commercial egg farming business would have.

Maybe the monk should get into the flower business?
Remember the old movie, Brother Orchid? 🙂

Jim
 
Hopefully the good monks will consider a veal farm instead of eggs in order to make ends meat, err meet.
Or maybe Foie Gras :rolleyes:
Frankly, I’m more disturbed by attitudes like these among professed Christians, than some of the stunts pulled by Peta. Maybe, Peta was just being pragmatic, but I agree with the article below, and assume that the quotes are correct.

Benedict XVI Continues Tradition of Papal Concern for Animals

Pope Benedict XVI has spoken movingly about the exploitation of all beings, particularly of farmed animals, and PETA has created an ad featuring this message. When he was asked about the rights of animals in a 2002 interview, he said, “That is a very serious question. At any rate, we can see that they are given into our care, that we cannot just do whatever we want with them. Animals, too, are God’s creatures . . . Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.”

goveg.com/f-popebenedictxvi.asp
 
Ugh. How I wish I were in a position to start a good old fashioned pogrom of these nuts. I’ll split the wood. You get the matches.
 
“…or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds.”

I wouldn’t trust PETA as a source at all. If they’ll lie about “cutting off beaks”, which they did, then they’ll lie about anything. If someone comes up with a reliable source for this, then it would be worth talking about.
 
I wouldn’t trust PETA as a source at all. If they’ll lie about “cutting off beaks”, which they did, then they’ll lie about anything. If someone comes up with a reliable source for this, then it would be worth talking about.
EXACTLY my point with my tongue in cheek comment above. PETA is a radical organization, related to groups that have committed terrorist attacks. They have been documented as liars and to consider them a reasonable or reliable source borders on insanity.
 
Or maybe they just rely on dupes?
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The National Pro-Life Action Center on Capitol Hill

…Interestingly, Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, once addressed the subject of foie gras explicitly during an interview with a journalist: “We cannot just do whatever we want with them. … Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.”

“Animals too,” he stressed, “are God’s creatures and even if they do not have the same direct relationship to God that man has, they are still creatures of His will, creatures we must respect as companions in creation.”…
 
Hello, Steelers Rule, do you not know what the :rolleyes: smilie means? HINT: think of sarcasm! Did I not follow up by saying it was a tongue in cheek post? For crying out loud, get over the comment and deal with the reality of what PETA did to these monks and how disingenuous PETA is. If anything you are doing a great job of diverting the real issue in this thread by concentrating on a comment made as a joke.

And for whatever it is worth, I don’t eat Foie Gras, but I do love veal, and my wife has 4 or 5 fur coats 🙂 Then again, I don’t see any real difference between “fur” and “leather” if it is worn. Not sure why many people don’t see “shearling” as fur either.
 
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The National Pro-Life Action Center on Capitol Hill

…Interestingly, Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, once addressed the subject of foie gras explicitly during an interview with a journalist: “We cannot just do whatever we want with them. … Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible.”
Hard to believe the monks were doing some horrible, cruel thing to the laying hens, and I’m not sure exactly what the Pope was talking about when it comes to hens being so packed together that they are “caricatures of birds”.

The conditions in a modern “integrated” system isn’t a lot different from the conditions of chickens on “Old McDonald’s Farm”, except that they’re indoors. “Range chickens” will naturally find some very small place to nest and lay eggs. The rest of the time, they’re roaming around looking for something to eat and drink.

In a modern integrated system, they set up small spaces, usually made of wire, that studies have shown are the kinds of spaces to which hens are naturally attracted. The hens go in and out of them themselves. The rest of the time they spend on what is usually a raised, “slatted” floor where the feeders and waterers are. The floor is slatted so the waste falls through. In some, there is more than one floor level, so the hens can wander from one to the other. Integrators don’t like to stress chickens because they don’t lay well or, in breeding houses, breed well when they’re stressed. Temperature, humidity and air circulation are very carefully controlled to produce the maximum comfort. The “population” is controlled to keep stress at a minimum; neither too high or too low. The most successful integrators have studied those things and know them down to the nth degree. Certainly, it’s possible that some farmers or even some (not terribly successful) integrators keep the chickens in horrible conditions. But the successful “factory farms” do not keep hens in “cages” or “pack them together”. To be sure, there are a lot of hens in a modern laying house, and doubtless those houses are aesthetically less appealing (and less dangerous) than an open field. But if the conditions manifestly do not stress the chickens, one can only conclude that while the aesthetics might not appeal to humans, aesthetics might not be a matter of great concern to a chicken.

So, if, indeed, the Pope saw conditions such as those he is said to have mentioned, he did not see them in a modern laying house operated under a successful American integrator, because that’s not what they’re like.

I suspect the monks were “state of the art” if they were making any money. I imagine PETA simply bullied the monks with baseless charges, and the monks, being monks, gave in. A terrible act by a rotten organization that sees animal abuse where it doesn’t exist and doesn’t care about inflicting “people abuse”.
 
I imagine PETA simply bullied the monks with baseless charges, and the monks, being monks, gave in. A terrible act by a rotten organization that sees animal abuse where it doesn’t exist and doesn’t care about inflicting “people abuse”.
Monks, being monks, probably would choose not to fight a battle such as this. They are, by their nature, open and vulnerable to unjust attacks. The reality is that PETA wants ALL people to be vegetarians, opposes all farming of all animals, opposes leather, opposes fur, opposes hunting, opposes declawing cats, opposes horse racing, opposes trapping (even to prevent the spread of rabies), and they are willing to lie, berate and protest anything that they think they can get sympathy for and will misrepresent the results if they win or lose.
 
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