Scapegoat of recent scandal?

[pnewton]

We won’t solve this problem by eliminating homosexuality for sure.

I agree there is no single answer, nor can the band on homosexual men to the seminaries be singled out as the cause for the success the Church has had in drastically reducing abuse. It may not be even one of the top three reasons. However, it should be noticed that the places where bishops have defied the Pope on this is where the seminary harassment is occurring.

 

[Thorolfr]

MikeInVA:

This a generalization, but people with any of these disorders may be wonderful people, but they probably aren’t cut out for the priesthood.

I would think someone with OCD or ADHD would find it very difficult to be a priest, wonderful as that person may be.

I don’t know why someone with OCD or ADHD would find it too difficult to be a priest if the OCD or ADHD are being treated.

A friend of mine is a Lutheran pastor and he has OCD. It didn’t prevent him from being a good pastor.

I have ADHD and don’t see why the duties of a priest would be too much for some people with this disorder. Some people with ADHD can be quite successful. Michael Phelps has 14 gold Olympic medals in swimming. Jim Carrey has been a successful actor. The British business magnate, Sir Richard Branson, is the founder of Virgin Group which controls over 400 companies including Virgin Records and Virgin Airlines. Forbes has estimated his net worth at over $5 billion. Two of the top experts on ADHD are Edward Hallowell and Jim Ratey. They both have ADHD and co-authored several best selling books together on ADHD. One was a medical doctor and psychiatrist for many years at Harvard Medical School (he’s now in private practice), while the other is a Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

 

[Hope1960]

We are discussing the abuses perpetrated by Catholic clergy, which is predominantly homosexual.

Is that a fact or your opinion?ithink I saw the percentages of gay priests to be much lower than “predominately”.

 

[Joe_5859]

I believe he’s referring to the fact that the abuse has been predominantly homosexual in nature, not that the majority of priests are homosexual.

Those are simply the facts of the matter. The statistics show that 80% of the victims are male, and of those male victims, 80% are post-pubescent.

So that means roughly 2/3 of the abuse victims are boys in their mid to late teens. Certainly, we do not want to discount the other 1/3 of the victims. But it’s not surprising that people are looking at homosexuality as a concern.

It would be a mistake to look at gay people in general, or even gay priests as the “scapegoat” for the crisis. But I think it’s also a mistake to dismiss it as irrelevant. Knowing the profile of those who abused is helpful for screening future candidates to the priesthood. I would definitely agree that sexual orientation is only one part of the equation. And it’s quite probably not the most important part. But we shouldn’t reject out of hand the possibility that it is something that needs to be looked at.

 

[Thorolfr]

Not surprisingly, it’s difficult to get accurate statistics on the number of priests that are homosexuals. A Wikipedia article says that estimates range from 15 to 58 percent. I’ve heard estimates even higher. But most estimates are based to some extent on anecdotal evidence.

 

[Hope1960]

Not surprisingly, it’s difficult to get accurate statistics on the number of priests that are homosexuals. A Wikipedia article says that estimates range from 15 to 58 percent. I’ve heard estimates even higher. But most estimates are based to some extent on anecdotal evidence.

I read something on the lines of what Wikipedia says, but not as high as 58%.

 

[Hope1960]

I believe he’s referring to the fact that the abuse has been predominantly homosexual in nature, not that the majority of priests are homosexual.

Ok.
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[Gab123]

How do you explain the fact that many of the abusers were heterosexual? Sexual molesters can be homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. None of the priests were married, of course, but there are married, heterosexual child molesters. Child molestation is not a homosexual problem.

again, you keep talking about it as if the crisis is about pedophelia. While the Pennsylvania report dates back 70 years, in the year 2000 the Church put stringent guidelines to prevent such cases involving children; the current crisis involves teenage boys, young men, seminarians being sexually assaulted, and an openly gay culture among priests. It is no secret that many seminaries are infested with active homosexuals; hypocrites who are salaried shepherds who care nothing about the flock and could care less about Church teaching, in fact, actively trying to change Church teaching. People are sick and tired of the LGBT movement spreading inside the Church like a cancer and polluting the minds of the faithful. Like cockroaches, there has to be a fumigation, and it will happen again soone or later as it always has in Church history; God is sweeping out the Church, all the darkness will come into the light. it happens every few centuries… Pope Francis himself has directed to bar gay men from entering the seminary:

Just read this news report by CNA (Catholic News Agency) about the gay subculture coming to light in the wake of the McCarrick scandal…

 

[ConstantLearner]

I believe he’s referring to the fact that the abuse has been predominantly homosexual in nature, not that the majority of priests are homosexual.

I believe that, but also believe most priests are heterosexual. I’ve known many, and they’ve all been heterosexual.

 

[ConstantLearner]

again, you keep talking about it as if the crisis is about pedophelia.

For the most part, it is about child molestation, which is not the same as pedophilia.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I read something on the lines of what Wikipedia says, but not as high as 58%.

Definitely not!

 

[Gab123]

It’s a homosexual scandal; the problem is that the LGBT lobby has everyone afraid to speak of it as such but people are beginning to expose it for what it is:

 

[ConstantLearner]

It’s a homosexual scandal; the problem is that the LGBT lobby has everyone afraid to speak of it as such but people are beginning to expose it for what it is:

We all know everything the news reports is 100% true, especially when they have a motive to spin it.

Homosexuals are not de facto child molesters. I don’t deny that homosexual, as well as heterosexual, priests were involved, but this scandal, and past scandals, has always been a child molestation scandal.

Last night, I listened to a female (yes, a female) who was abused for twenty years (no homosexuality there). The priest abuser even baptized her children while the abuse was going on.

I am not “blaming the victim,” but I just don’t understand how a person is abused for twenty years. I probably could have been abused when I was four, five, six, though our mom did teach us that no one touches us inappropriately, but in those twenty years I would have grown up and put a stop to it. I went to an optometrist once, when I was about fifteen or sixteen, who was a dirty old man. He kept putting his hand on my leg. (I was wearing shorts.) I thought it might have been a mistake the first two times, but the third time, I told him not to touch me again, or I was calling the police.

I believe the woman and feel bad for her; I just don’t understand why she didn’t tell him to stop, tell her husband, move away, something.

 

[Gab123]

Homosexuals are not de facto child molesters. I don’t deny that homosexual, as well as heterosexual, priests were involved, but this scandal, and past scandals, has always been a child molestation scandal.

One has to understand that homosexuality is a particular psychological perversion, just as pedophilia is a separate particular psychological perversion; nobody is born a pedophile just like nobody is born “gay”, these things are developed later in life, and are usually defined through the period of puberty along with outside influences, experiences and sub-cultures.

For a man to be sexually attracted to the body of another man is a reflection of what the Church teaches as an intrinsic disorder; a condition that has to do with the psychological state of the person and the outcome of many internalized outside influences.Such people are dealing with a psychological disorder that easily can usher them into a moral and sinful state involving things that are against nature itself.

One can understand a man’s attraction to a woman, being God made woman by design for man, and for a purpose. When we are dealing with homosexuality we are talking about a person who has undergone psychological conditioning. You don’t put people with psychological conditions in charge of pastoring a flock, role models for youth, and taking on the roles as teachers and confessors. Men who are sexually attracted to children, or men who are sexually attracted to other men are dealing with psychological struggles which they either hide, suppress or become defined by.

Homosexuality is a moral perversion much like pedophilia is a moral perversion. People with such tendencies need help, not salaried positions working as priests, hearing confessions, or being put in places of authority while they are struggling with psychological issues or living double lives. Thus seminaries need to weed out such individuals.

It’s one thing for a man to have temptations of the flesh; it’s another thing to be struggling with an intrinsic psychological disorder. According to the reports the 20% of cases of abuse are pedophiles, while 80% of the abuse cases are homosexuals.

i would never trust leaving a teenage boy alone with any man who defines himself as “gay”, being that the journey to adopt that identity has many rotten influences in its wake…

It is interesting how in the same year of 1973 the world decided that abortion was not killing a child, and that homosexuality was not a psychological disorder. Repeat that lie over generations, and they have convinced millions of people that murder is not murder and that homosexuality is perfectly normal and noble…

 

[Hope1960]

and an openly gay culture among priests. It is no secret that many seminaries are infested with active homosexuals; hypocrites who are salaried shepherds who care nothing about the flock and could care less about Church teaching, in fact, actively trying to change Church teaching. People are sick and tired of the LGBT movement spreading inside the Church like a cancer and polluting the minds of the faithful. Like cockroaches, there has to be a fumigation, and it will happen again soone or later as it always has in Church history; God is sweeping out the Church, all the darkness will come into the light. it happens every few centuries… Pope Francis himself has directed to bar gay men from entering the seminary:

Just read this news report by CNA (Catholic News Agency) about the gay subculture coming to light in the wake of the McCarrick scandal…

By openly gay culture, are you saying that the priests are, among other priests and seminarians, out of the closet and sexually active?

 

[pnewton]

Homosexuals are not de facto child molesters

This keeps getting pointed out. No one has even suggested this. Most the child abuse being homosexual in nature does not suggest or equate to most homosexuals being child abusers. Most neo-nazis being white men does not mean most white men are neo-nazis.

 

[Gab123]

By openly gay culture, are you saying that the priests are, among other priests and seminarians, out of the closet and sexually active?

Among the wheat thee are the weeds; while there are the many, many good and holy priests, there is a subculture among the homosexuals in the Church. Yes, we’re talking orgies. Read the news.
Again, even among the 12 apostles there was a thief who turned out to be a traitor. The devil targets the Church through those inside the Church, thus among the good, you will always find the rotten, living double lives. Even St Paul spoke about it in his letters.

 

[ConstantLearner]

One has to understand that homosexuality is a particular psychological perversion, just as pedophilia is a separate particular psychological perversion; nobody is born a pedophile just like nobody is born “gay”, these things are developed later in life, and are usually defined through the period of puberty along with outside influences, experiences and sub-cultures.

I am a heterosexual female who does volunteer work with the LGBTQ community. I’ve works with hundreds of homosexuals. I know homosexuality is, not a perversion or a choice. No one “taught” me to “choose” heterosexuality. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, has its good and its not-so-good, and it’s no more a perversion than autism or the color of one’s hair.

The evidence on homosexuality is out: it is not a choice. It is rooted in biology; it is not a result of “upbringing”, “socialisation”, or sexual molestation as a child. And people who act on the belief that it is, very often end up doing great harm, wittingly or not.

The verdict is in: homosexuality is not a choice | Life

Being gay is part of the normal range of human sexuality, shows a new report that also states it’s not a mutation, but rather very much like the genetic regions that determine the colour of your hair.

www.news24.com

 

[ConstantLearner]

Among the wheat thee are the weeds; while there are the many, many good and holy priests, there is a subculture among the homosexuals in the Church. Yes, we’re talking orgies. Read the news.

I believe most priests are heterosexual and good and non-abusive and may aspire to holiness, but yes, I agree with you: there is an active subculture that is pretty horrible. I read a book, written by a monk, that describes things in the abbey. Both hetero- and homosexual men took part.

 

[ConstantLearner]

This keeps getting pointed out. No one has even suggested this. Most the child abuse being homosexual in nature does not suggest or equate to most homosexuals being child abusers. Most neo-nazis being white men does not mean most white men are neo-nazis.

No, no one actually said that. You are right. But people seem to keep implying that all homosexual men must be abusive. They seem to keep forgetting that heterosexual priests were also involved, and about 20% of the abused were girls. To me, this is definitely a child molestation scandal.

Even if homosexuality were a choice, which it is not, what about the 20% of girls who were molested, some over a period of years? They seem to be the forgotten victims of heterosexual priests.

I think the important question is: What’s to be done about these priests, and what’s to be done to ensure this doesn’t happen in the future?