Scapegoat of recent scandal?

[JimG]

Understanding the demographics of the predatory priest problem.

“Unlike in 2002, when it was just a handful of lay Catholics like myself willing to even mention the role homosexual behavior played in the scandal, whose voices were silenced and marginalized as the “rantings” of a small group of homophobes, today we have a number of bishops who have stepped forward and stated clearly that this indeed is a crisis of homosexual predation.”

Understanding the demographics of the predatory priest problem

While some deny a same-sex predation problem among priests, the Grand Jury Report reflects similar demographic data as the John Jay Study of nearly 15

www.catholicworldreport.com

 

[pnewton]

The Pennsylvania priest scandal was an outgrowth of child molestation.

Every time Pennsylvania is mentioned as though it is some new scandal, I will interject that it uncovered specifics cases already covered by the John Jay report from 1950-2002. The Pennsylvania priest scandal is only an outgrowth of political ambition.

I will not sit idle while the narrative of an on-going scandal is drawn by this historical data.

 

[francisca.chapter2]

this is no scapegoating. this is identifying the problem correctly.

1Corinth6:9
do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? make no mistake about it:the sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers [bold] men who have sex with men will not inherit the kingdom of God.[/bold]

Homosexual-sex is in the same group together with other sexual immoral behavior.

 

[Thorolfr]

It’s a homosexual scandal; the problem is that the LGBT lobby has everyone afraid to speak of it as such but people are beginning to expose it for what it is:

Last night I watched the movie Spotlight about the investigative journalists at the Boston Globe who uncovered the sexual abuse that was going on in the Archdiocese of Boston in 2002 and Cardinal Law’s pattern of moving predatory priests from one parish to another and his efforts and those of others to keep the abuse a secret. As horrific as the abuse itself was, I don’t think that that was the biggest scandal.

 

[TheOldColonel]

I’ve seen no such evidence of what you’re saying.

 

[francisca.chapter2]

I have sympathy towards all the victims. but to identify cardinal wuerl as the perpetrator while refuse to identify homosexuality-as-the-problem, is the cultural problem in itself.

I can emphatize with what wuerl had to go through: after he removed the 18th priest, the 19th still occured, what would you have done if you had been him? the real number was so great, the system was not on his side. he was worry if the cases would destroy the faith of the faithful. he fought cardinals in vatican in order to remove the first priests. after 18 cases… he lost. its no excuse for him, but wuerl isn’t the perpetrator. he is one scapegoat. the real perpetrators has been hating cardinal wuerl!

1corinthians6:9 identify homosexual sex as immoral behavior. it is quite clear homosexuality is the problem, along with other immoral sexual behavior in general.

 

[Thorolfr]

I have sympathy towards all the victims. but to identify cardinal wuerl as the perpetrator while refuse to identify homosexuality-as-the-problem, is the cultural problem in itself.

I don’t know that much about Cardinal Wuerl. I was speaking above about Cardinal Law who was forced to resign as Archbishop of Boston in 2002. As the Wikipedia article says, “One priest alone was alleged to have raped or molested 130 children over decades, while Law and other local officials moved him among churches rather than going to the authorities.”

 

[francisca.chapter2]

maybe it’s true there has been attempt of scapegoating. but the scapegoats are the ones tries to save the church. those who try to wreck the church are not the scapegoats. they are the perpetrators. not as obvious as a hollywood movies though:thinking:

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I am not a fan of Cardinal Wuerl but I have to admit you make a good point here. I think he definitely could and should have done things differenty but in the end it is very clear that homosexuality in the priesthood is the problem.

 

[ConstantLearner]

That was a very important question 15-20 years back. Right now, the question is whether we need to be proactive in tweaking what has been done so far to keep the past from recurring, and whether there are other areas of improvement.

I would say the answer is yes, Catholics need to be much more proactive and seek out other ways to improve.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I am not a fan of Cardinal Wuerl but I have to admit you make a good point here. I think he definitely could and should have done things differenty but in the end it is very clear that homosexuality in the priesthood is the problem.

Not to me or many others. Most homosexuals wouldn’t dream of abusing anyone.

How do you explain the 20% of females who were abused?

This is definitely a child molestation problem. Those molested who are willing to speak out are calling it a child molestation problem.

Many of the priests are or were heterosexual, and 20% of the victims were girls. That negates a “homosexual problem.”

 

[bullish1]

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nothing to see here!

 

[JimG]

A Seminarian’s essay on seminarian experiences.

“These same heterosexual seminarians will be groomed to be enablers to the broken society. For these men are formed to live as if tolerance is the premier Christian virtue. We must tolerate sinful behavior and support those who engage in it because “who are we to judge?””

Why Priests Won’t Protest Violations of Clerical Celibacy

Author’s note: The following essay is inspired by the testimonies of my brother priests along with elements of my own experience. It is not a testimonial nor does it reflect my current experience of…

www.crisismagazine.com

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I agree with you that most homosexuals would not dream of abusing anyone but as I have said it is not necessarily those with SSA being a problem in general but those males with SSA in the priesthood that is pretty much mostly the problem with these scandals.

When I think of the 20% I remember that 20% is a lot less than 80%. 80% would be considered the majority. Also, what I read was that 20% were women AND children, while the 80% were abused post-pubescent males. I think seeing that women were also abused shows that all priests are not homosexual.

The scandal with Archbishop McCarrick is mostly a seminary scandal, which has shed light on other seminary issues similar, so you can’t call it a child molestation problem. The only place I have heard it called a child molestation problem is here in the forums, unless someone was abused while they were a child and they are saying it was child molestation.

Also, if most people were saying it is a child molestation problem and not homosexuality, this thread would probably not have been started.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

A Seminarian’s essay on seminarian experiences.

“These same heterosexual seminarians will be groomed to be enablers to the broken society. For these men are formed to live as if tolerance is the premier Christian virtue. We must tolerate sinful behavior and support those who engage in it because “who are we to judge?””

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2018/why-priests-wont-speak-out-over-violations-of-clerical-celibacy

That story pretty much hits right to what I have been hearing priests say is happening in the seminaries.

I am very grateful to those men, now priests, who stay strong for the faith and continue but also understand why there are those who leave the seminary.

 

[ConstantLearner]

When I think of the 20% I remember that 20% is a lot less than 80%. 80% would be considered the majority. Also, what I read was that 20% were women AND children, while the 80% were abused post-pubescent males. I think seeing that women were also abused shows that all priests are not homosexual.

The 20% can’t be forgotten, and most women who were abused were abused over a period of years, sometimes twenty. The abuse began when they were very young.

The thread is asking if homosexual priests are being made the scapegoat of the scandal. I believe they are. I’m not denying that homosexual priests were involved, but to call this a “homosexual scandal” negates the guilt of the heterosexual priests, the female victims, and those who abused by covering up.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

The 20% can’t be forgotten, and most women who were abused were abused over a period of years, sometimes twenty. The abuse began when they were very young.

The thread is asking if homosexual priests are being made the scapegoat of the scandal. I believe they are. I’m not denying that homosexual priests were involved, but to call this a “homosexual scandal” negates the guilt of the heterosexual priests, the female victims, and those who abused by covering up.

I am definetly not saying to ignore the 20% of abuse that has happened to women and children. We definitely need to do something about that also, absolutely, but the rest of the problem, the remaining issues, the over 80%, is a large problem right now.

I do not believe that those with SSA are being blamed for, or made to be a scapegoat for ALL of the abuses, but for those problems associated with homosexuality in the priesthood, yes. It is the greater issue. It is the problem that needs addressing right now. The article from Crisis magazine, posted above by Jim G is what many priests are describing to the be the problems they are facing.

There are many men who have said they were abused for years upon years also.

God bless.

 

[ConstantLearner]

The girls who were molested seem to think that addressing child abuse by some priests needs addressed right now. Or do you think it’s okay to let them slide?

Some married, heterosexual men sexually abuse boys. One’s gender preference for a sexual partner doesn’t always correlate to his gender preference for an abuse victim. There are married, heterosexual women who abuse girls, too.

Yes, some of the offending priests were or are homosexual, but to say this is a “homosexual problem” is wrong. It is an ABUSE problem, and ALL areas need addressed NOW.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

The girls who were molested seem to think that addressing child abuse by some priests needs addressed right now. Or do you think it’s okay to let them slide?

I certainly am not saying let any abuse slide.

This is what I said.

I am definetly not saying to ignore the 20% of abuse that has happened to women and children. We definitely need to do something about that also, absolutely,

Some married, heterosexual men sexually abuse boys. One’s gender preference for a sexual partner doesn’t always correlate to his gender preference for an abuse victim. There are married, heterosexual women who abuse girls, too.

I agree these things happen. Absolutely. Our culture has a horrible sexual abuse problem going on everywhere right now, especially since the sexual revolution and the internet, but we are talking here about the scandal in the priesthood. Yes, it is an ABUSE problem, absolutely, definitely. Do all areas need addressed YES, by all means.

Again, though, most of the cases are male to male and I believe and have heard and read that most who are addressing the problem are saying that the majority of the problem is a “homosexual in the priesthood problem”.

Yes, all of the abuse issues need addressed now.

 

[bullish1]

The thread is asking if homosexual priests are being made the scapegoat of the scandal. I believe they are. I’m not denying that homosexual priests were involved, but to call this a “homosexual scandal” negates the guilt of the heterosexual priests, the female victims, and those who abused by covering up.

I don’t think anyone is saying that it is only a homosexual problem. What I hear is that it is predominately a homosexual problem. It’s certainly not predominately a clerical problem even thought that may be part of it. Substitute any other thing for clerical and it still applies. There are other abuses going on, heterosexual on post pubescent females, pedophiles on children, etc. and we would like to see them all stopped. But the low hanging fruit is the predominant homosexual priest problem. Combat 1st aid is to stop the bleeding, start the breathing, treat for shock. Treat for shock 1st and the patient dies.