School prom dress guide draws body-shaming accusations

[twf]

Semi serious, with a smile. Equality among the sexes.
Guys have no flexibility in showing their skin

However, no reason a girl couldn’t wear a suit that was flattering.

http://corporette.katfryllc.netdna-...ds/2016/04/designer-womens-suits-workwear.jpg

Yeah, guys can’t show skin period at such events. Even at the beach, at least in North America, there’s no equality here…women are encouraged to show as much skin as possible with tiny bikinis… men wear long, knee length, baggy trunks.

 

[Sarcelle]

Yeah, guys can’t show skin period at such events. Even at the beach, at least in North America, there’s no equality here…women are encouraged to show as much skin as possible with tiny bikinis… men wear long, knee length, baggy trunks.

Men can wear Speedos.

 

[Padres1969]

Men can wear Speedos.

True, and women can wear full body swimsuits with sarongs if they want too. Nothing says either sex has to or has to refrain from showing a certain amount of skin at a beach.

 

[mdgspencer]

I considered posting a news article on this, but all the articles I found on the web were biased against the Catholic school’s dress code. There is something to be said about a dress code that the secular media overlook. According to the Catholic view, modesty in dress is a virtue, not a vice of some sort.

 

[matthewww]

As a parent, I would be irritated at the school. Not angry, but annoyed.

My opinion is that if a dress is too revealing at a size 12, it’ll be the same for size 2. I remember some post online a while back…where a woman was fired because of her immodest dressing. The picture showed her dressed up in normal clothes I assume. A shirt that clung to her body. But if she had smaller breasts, that shirt would not be called immodest even if the shirt clung to her body as well. I suspect it’s the same way of thinking here?

My daughter’s school never really had such specific guidelines that talked about different body types. If it did, I would feel quite offended on her behalf. All girls have the same guidelines to follow and it never presented any problems because I think the girls are smart enough to know how to adhere to it.

I believe there would be less outrage if they just stuck to guidelines that focused on clothes and not on the body.

The other poster talked about how some women have certain body types that are just labelled as more provocative. A woman I dated long ago had something like that. She could wear modest clothes but somehow looked more “immodest” than a size 0. It’s not fair, IMHO. I feel like it sends a message that modesty is about your body. The problem is that girls are so objectified to the point where the body, not the clothes, is immodest.

 

[AClaire11]

Semi serious, with a smile. Equality among the sexes.
Guys have no flexibility in showing their skin

However, no reason a girl couldn’t wear a suit that was flattering.

http://corporette.katfryllc.netdna-...ds/2016/04/designer-womens-suits-workwear.jpg

Yeah but these aren’t appropriate for prom. And ties were mentioned. Women do not wear ties, at least not in the US.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Semi serious, with a smile. Equality among the sexes.
Guys have no flexibility in showing their skin

I get the impression that there is generally less interest in a guy wearing clothing styles that exposes more skin.

However, no reason a girl couldn’t wear a suit that was flattering.

No, there’s not anything preventing it. There may be however a lack of motivation; those suits look boring for a party and not very individualized. There may be those that agree with me in thinking that the suits ate not what I would call flatering. For me prom was over half my lifetime ago. But then girls seemed excited about finding a dress that was colorful and/or shinny, different from the other girls’ dresses, æsthetically pleasing in a way that made them feel pretty, something that would draw compliments from peers of both sexes, and something that looks fun. I could see an administrator at the prom having the corporate look, but not the kids. Also it might be a little hard to dance in some of those outfits.

 

[John_Lazarus]

Men can wear Speedos.

Please, God, no…

 

[Theo520]

I get the impression that there is generally less interest in a guy wearing clothing styles that exposes more skin.

Though men may stare, women drive the fashion trends and the desire to show more skin.

No, there’s not anything preventing it. There may be however a lack of motivation; those suits look boring for a party and not very individualized. There may be those that agree with me in thinking that the suits ate not what I would call flatering. For me prom was over half my lifetime ago. But then girls seemed excited about finding a dress that was colorful and/or shinny, different from the other girls’ dresses, æsthetically pleasing in a way that made them feel pretty, something that would draw compliments from peers of both sexes, and something that looks fun. I could see an administrator at the prom having the corporate look, but not the kids. Also it might be a little hard to dance in some of those outfits.

I’m a fan of school uniforms. Kids still find ways to express their individuality, just more subtly and without the focus on being sexy.

 

[Ubenedictus]

Democrats have to make a federal case out of everything now. They have no scruples

 

[Ubenedictus]

They should have just kept it generic as possible. Skinny girls should not be wearing tight clothes. Curvy girls should not be wearing tight clothes. There is no reason why one body type can wear a dress and the other couldn’t. It is a double standard.

Once a message that sounds like “you can’t wear this because of how you look” is sent out, it essentially sounds like “your body is more sexual”. Keep in mind that the bigger girl isn’t necessarily wearing the same size as the thinner girl. It probably isn’t too tight. She is probably wearing a bigger size that looks more immodest simply because she has curves. To them, it just seems like double standards.

it isn’t double standard, bodies differ, that isn’t body shaming. Something very ok for mr a may be immodest for mr b. I also prefer simplier rules but i saw a slim lady on a dress that looked ok and a bigger lady wore it and it slipped…wasn’t modest. Bodies differ and it should inform what we wear, that isn’t shaming

 

[Ubenedictus]

Bingo. That’s the main issue I have with their guidelines. By ambiguously stating that a larger girl can’t wear the same dress as a smaller girl they’re implicitly stating that there’s something wrong with the larger girl. Without even getting into the nitty gritty of specific dresses.

Nothing wrong with the larger girl, her body is just different.

 

[Padres1969]

Nothing wrong with the larger girl, her body is just different.

So because of that she can’t wear the same dress as a smaller girl? That’s the issue I’m referring to. To hold girls of different body types to different standards is wrong. As long as all are meeting a minimum standard (ie: something neutral like all the appropriate bits are covered) then it shouldn’t matter beyond that. What’s modest for a small girl is modest for a large girl.

 

[Monkey1976]

So because of that she can’t wear the same dress as a smaller girl? That’s the issue I’m referring to. To hold girls of different body types to different standards is wrong. As long as all are meeting a minimum standard (ie: something neutral like all the appropriate bits are covered) then it shouldn’t matter beyond that. What’s modest for a small girl is modest for a large girl.

How is it wrong to treat two different body shapes differently? For a smaller girl, a strapless gown with a low bustline can still be modest, as it doesn’t reveal her cleavage. For a girl with a larger chest, the exact same dress would be immodest due to the amount of cleavage revealed.

People should dress in styles appropriate to their body type. As a larger man, I shouldn’t wear skinny jeans and tight shirts.

How is this somehow controversial or hateful?

 

[SuperLuigi]

I can understand the need for this.

I have been shocked at some pictures I’ve seen on Facebook of the daughters of friends of mine in their prom dresses. Thigh high slits, cleavage spilling out… it makes me wonder what the parents are thinking letting their teenage daughters wear dresses like this. If the parents won’t police it, I guess the school must.

It’s hard to argue with that.

One would also think that in our “rape culture” this short of thing would be shunned.

 

[Padres1969]

How is it wrong to treat two different body shapes differently? For a smaller girl, a strapless gown with a low bustline can still be modest, as it doesn’t reveal her cleavage. For a girl with a larger chest, the exact same dress would be immodest due to the amount of cleavage revealed.

People should dress in styles appropriate to their body type. As a larger man, I shouldn’t wear skinny jeans and tight shirts.

How is this somehow controversial or hateful?

Because it implies that the body of the larger girl is wrong.

 

[DeniseNY]

How is it wrong to treat two different body shapes differently? For a smaller girl, a strapless gown with a low bustline can still be modest, as it doesn’t reveal her cleavage. For a girl with a larger chest, the exact same dress would be immodest due to the amount of cleavage revealed.

Exactly. There is nothing hateful about that.

 

[LilyM]

Because it implies that the body of the larger girl is wrong.

As a larger girl myself, it does no such thing. I know very well that certain styles of top would show much more cleavage on me than on my less top-heavy friends, and therefore be less modest. To say so is a comment on the item of clothing and not a criticism of the body.

By the same.token my legs are short. A mini skirt on me would show far less thigh than on a longer limbed lass and therefore be more modest. Is it a criticism of long legs to say so? Far from it, I’d love to have longer legs
.

 

[Ubenedictus]

So because of that she can’t wear the same dress as a smaller girl? That’s the issue I’m referring to. To hold girls of different body types to different standards is wrong. As long as all are meeting a minimum standard (ie: something neutral like all the appropriate bits are covered) then it shouldn’t matter beyond that. What’s modest for a small girl is modest for a large girl.

I have to disagree, I have seen clothes that are modest on a small girl and immodest on a large girl. I have also seen the opposite, I have a friend who prefers larger men shirts because the neck is bigger and allow him show his muscular chest, it is ok for the larger man and immodest for him. Body types differ and clothes should be appropriately chosen.

 

[Ubenedictus]

Because it implies that the body of the larger girl is wrong.

This just goes over my head. How does the fact that not all clothes is ok of all body types imply that one body type is wrong? Does different imply wrong?