Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone

[Mac6yver]

Remind me again catholic2, how did Noah get all of the animals to the different continents after the flood? What did the carnivores eat after the flood?

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

But some do. (like those in the lake I mentioned above) They can become acclimated to either fresh or salt. Locally in Hawaii, the Tilapia is a good example. They live in both salt and fresh or brackish water. They were introduced from Africa and are considered a real pest here.

If they are the same tilapia that we buy in stores and restaraunts here, they may be a pest but they are danged good to eat!

Tim: Given the short half life of c14 of 5,730 years there should be no detectable trace of c14 in organic material after 250,000 years (or 43.6 half lives). Yet Accelerator Mass Spectrometer methods show 14c in all but the youngest Phanerzoic samples of 0.1 to 0.5 pmc(percent modern carbon) regardless of geological age. Coals, limestones, etc have been tested. How do you figure this?

I’ll give you another link on this one. Let me know what you think.

talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

Also again on C14. What do you think of this postulate: There was, before the flood, much more organic activity, some estimate from coal and oil deposits to be at least 100 times more than present. The entire earth was temperate, it seems. This being the case, atmospheric Carbon14 would be less since much more would be trapped in living organisms. If this was the case, then it would skew the modern Carbon 14 testing on ancient objects to give an age older than it really is.

I think your postulate is an assumption based on an assumption, neither of which is based on science but on the desire to make the evidence fit a preconceived idea of the age of the earth.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

But some do. (like those in the lake I mentioned above) They can become acclimated to either fresh or salt. Locally in Hawaii, the Tilapia is a good example. They live in both salt and fresh or brackish water. They were introduced from Africa and are considered a real pest here.

One more thought (other than of dinner!) on this, how does a species become acclimated to a inhospitable environment during a flood? There is no time to adapt as the introduction of salt water is instantaneous.

While you are searching for an answer for that, google up the term “evaporite”.

Peace

Tim

 

[catholic2]

Mac6yver:

Remind me again catholic2, how did Noah get all of the animals to the different continents after the flood? What did the carnivores eat after the flood?

c14 er I mean you can call me c2. There was only one land mass and the continents split after the flood. Also there were land bridges where for example you could walk from China to Alaska down to South America…actually, which people did do.

Diet after the flood now included meat for human beings. Before that we were vegans. Check the scripture out where Noah comes out of the ark after the flood. God now allows meat for food.

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

One more thought (other than of dinner!) on this, how does a species become acclimated to a inhospitable environment during a flood? There is no time to adapt as the introduction of salt water is instantaneous.

While you are searching for an answer for that, google up the term “evaporite”.

Peace

Tim

So new freshwater fishes come from the salt species. Just like the fish from that South American lake. Anybody know what lake that is offhand?

Tilapia is considered a pest because it threatens native species. Hawaii has more native species endangered and lost than any other place I know. Tilapia in fresh water is not as tasty as those caught in salt or brackish. But it’s ok both fresh and brackish. Some are artificially raised here, and they are bred to obtain a red color which are more pleasant to look at than their original dark grey, and are worth more on the market.

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

I think your postulate is an assumption based on an assumption, neither of which is based on science but on the desire to make the evidence fit a preconceived idea of the age of the earth.

Peace

Tim

I wish you wouldn’t use “science” as an imprimatur. I think my “assumption” is perfectly legitimate. And in “science” assumptions are generally used to develop hypothesis into a general theory. So what’s the big deal.

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

Diet after the flood now included meat for human beings. Before that we were vegans. Check the scripture out where Noah comes out of the ark after the flood. God now allows meat for food.

That can’t be. If there were only a couple representatives of each species, eating one would cause an extinction.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

I wish you wouldn’t use “science” as an imprimatur. I think my “assumption” is perfectly legitimate. And in “science” assumptions are generally used to develop hypothesis into a general theory. So what’s the big deal.

Well, we are discussing science, are we not?

Your assumption is perfectly legitimate if you have some data to support it. If you don’t, it is just a guess.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

So new freshwater fishes come from the salt species. Just like the fish from that South American lake. Anybody know what lake that is offhand?

You may be referring to Lake Maricaibo.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

c14 er I mean you can call me c2. There was only one land mass and the continents split after the flood.

That is not scriptural. What do you base this claim on?

It is interesting that the ark came to rest on a mountain, not a plain.

Peace

Tim

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

If they are the same tilapia that we buy in stores and restaraunts here, they may be a pest but they are danged good to eat!

I’ll give you another link on this one. Let me know what you think.

talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html

Peace

Tim

basically they are saying they still don’t know why there are c14 in coal except to guess it’s new (name removed by moderator)ut. But coal isn’t the only thing that AMS tests out that indicates a less than great geological age. Evidence points to a young earth!

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

That can’t be. If there were only a couple representatives of each species, eating one would cause an extinction.

Peace

Tim

Very Good! So just lay off eating them until they start reproducing!:tsktsk:

Actually some of the species were represented by SEVEN pairs. Gen. 7:2-3

Have a barbecue, my friend.

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

Very Good! So just lay off eating them until they start reproducing!:tsktsk:

Veal, anyone?

Actually some of the species were represented by SEVEN pairs. Gen. 7:2-3

Have a barbecue, my friend.

They better be real quick to reproduce and mature to reproduce again, because 7 pairs won’t last long when there is nothing else to eat.

Peace

Tim

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

Well, we are discussing science, are we not?

Your assumption is perfectly legitimate if you have some data to support it. If you don’t, it is just a guess.

Peace

Tim

My assumption is based on logic. If there were more air breathing flora/fauna in the past than now, there should have been less c14 in the atmosphere. And there were more f/f in the past than today that’s easy to prove.

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

My assumption is based on logic. If there were more air breathing flora/fauna in the past than now, there should have been less c14 in the atmosphere. And there were more f/f in the past than today that’s easy to prove.

How are you going to prove that using logic instead of science?

Peace

Tim

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

Veal, anyone?

They better be real quick to reproduce and mature to reproduce again, because 7 pairs won’t last long when there is nothing else to eat.

Peace

Tim

They became real hard to catch because where they were not afraid of man before, they were given a spirit of fear of him. See Genesis 9:2. And beside Noah and his crew never knew how to hunt before. Noah was a man of the soil. So he kinda gave up, planted a vineyard and got plastered accidentally (Genesis 9:20) After a while he did get tired of a vegetarian diet and figured out this hunting thing. So there!

 

[catholic2]

Orogeny:

How are you going to prove that using logic instead of science?

Peace

Tim

what’s so “science” about a whole bunch of coal and oil? All you have to do is dig.

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

They became real hard to catch because where they were not afraid of man before, they were given a spirit of fear of him. See Genesis 9:2. And beside Noah and his crew never knew how to hunt before. Noah was a man of the soil. So he kinda gave up, planted a vineyard and got plastered accidentally (Genesis 9:20) After a while he did get tired of a vegetarian diet and figured out this hunting thing. So there!

Yeah, but there were no plants to eat, remember? He had to eat the animals right away.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

catholic2:

what’s so “science” about a whole bunch of coal and oil? All you have to do is dig.

Have at it. Good luck finding any in your state (Hawaii).

Peace

Tim