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vern_humphrey
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Before you go any farther into Protestant exegesis, I suggest you visit and study this site:
salvationhistory.com/library/scripture/churchandbible/magisterial/principlesinterp.cfm
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salvationhistory.com/library/scripture/churchandbible/magisterial/principlesinterp.cfm
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catholic2
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vern humphrey:
math can stand on it’s own merit. and what have I said that makes you think I was into Protestant exegesis?
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vern_humphrey
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Math can, but the assumptions behind it can’t.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
The idea that prophecy is aimed at revealing history to come is a very Protestant approach.
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catholic2
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vern humphrey:
No Assumptions on this one, only that what scripture says is true.
This is exactly what prophecy means! :banghead:
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vern_humphrey
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NO assumptions?
Which chapter and verse in which Gospel tells you “hour and minute and yes, second of Christ’s entry into Jerusalem?”
That is why I asked you to read about Catholic exegesis.
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catholic2
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The calculation to the exact time of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem (when he sits astride the donkey) starts at Daniel 9:25-26. the math is my own.)
I’m going out of this building. laters.
I’m going out of this building. laters.
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vern_humphrey
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And what source do you have that tells you the exact time to the second of Christ’s entrance into Jerusalem – other than these calculations?
The following is the footnote from the New American Bible for Catholics:
[2] Seventy years: the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:11; 29:10) prophesied a Babylonian captivity of seventy years, a round number signifying the complete passing away of the existing generation. Jeremiah’s prophecy was fulfilled in the capture of Babylon by Cyrus and the subsequent return of the Jews to Palestine. However, the author of Daniel, living during the persecution of Antiochus, sees the conditions of the exile still existing; therefore, in his meditation he extends Jeremiah’s number to seventy weeks of years (Daniel 9:24), i.e., seven times seventy years, to characterize the Jewish victory over the Seleucids as the ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy.
Note how this conforms to Catholic exegesis – the prophecy is relevant to the conditions of the time.
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catholic2
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Luke 19:41(DR)
41*And when he drew near, seeing the city, he wept over it, saying:**http://www.scriptours.com/images/spacer.gif
*42If thou also hadst known, and that in this thy day, the things that are to thy peace: but now they are hidden from thy eyes.
What was hidden from the children of Israel was that had they known that Daniel’s prediction applied to Jesus, they would have made the connection that He was the long-awaited Messiah. My calculation shows how this would have been possible. The calculation always existed but it was hidden from their eyes. I can show this calculation, but it will take bringing out a lot of pertinent things, which will take time and this forum is not the proper place for it.
If anyone is genuinely interested, and realize the implications if my calculation is correct, then perhaps a new thread in apologetics or scripture can be opened and I will participate in it.
Perhaps the greatest implication is for present day Judeans because of the connection between the old testament and the new, and that Messiah’s second coming is not for them the first.
This discussion on Dinosaurs has been very interesting and educational. The Young Earth reigns( along with T.Rex! ) (imho)
41*And when he drew near, seeing the city, he wept over it, saying:**http://www.scriptours.com/images/spacer.gif
*42If thou also hadst known, and that in this thy day, the things that are to thy peace: but now they are hidden from thy eyes.
What was hidden from the children of Israel was that had they known that Daniel’s prediction applied to Jesus, they would have made the connection that He was the long-awaited Messiah. My calculation shows how this would have been possible. The calculation always existed but it was hidden from their eyes. I can show this calculation, but it will take bringing out a lot of pertinent things, which will take time and this forum is not the proper place for it.
If anyone is genuinely interested, and realize the implications if my calculation is correct, then perhaps a new thread in apologetics or scripture can be opened and I will participate in it.
Perhaps the greatest implication is for present day Judeans because of the connection between the old testament and the new, and that Messiah’s second coming is not for them the first.
This discussion on Dinosaurs has been very interesting and educational. The Young Earth reigns( along with T.Rex! ) (imho)
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miguel_delgado
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Hi:
did you know how a T rex steak will taste like??
like JURASSIC PORK
did you know how a T rex steak will taste like??
like JURASSIC PORK
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vern_humphrey
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And what source do you have that tells you the exact time to the second of Christ’s entrance into Jerusalem – other than these calculations?
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catholic2
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Jurrasic Pork!
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catholic2
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vern humphrey:
scripture (and I wish you’d read my post in this regard!)
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vern_humphrey
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And where in scripture do you find the exact time to the second of Christ’s entrance into Jerusalem?
Don’t beat around the bush, just give me chapter and verse. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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catholic2
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vern humphrey:
Is anyone interested in going through this? Please post or start a new thread.
I suppose you can’t really fathom what I have in mind so I won’t fault you. I’ve already given you two scriptures that have to do with the math, both in Luke and in Daniel. In both passages you have to determine the numerical values as well as date(s). Several other passages are also intricately involved with dates and numerical values. You will have a hard time making sense of the whole thing without a thorough explanation of the process, and the process involves going step by step. But intricate as it is, once in place it is easy to see how it all adds up. Again, this forum is not the place for this.
Is anyone interested in going through this? Please post or start a new thread.
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vern_humphrey
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So you say. But you don’t give any Gospel passage that gives the minute and second that Jesus entered Jerusalem – so all your “math” is for naught.
Now I suppose you’ve heard of Pythagoras?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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chemcatholic
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Yet if you’re talking pre-flood, there would have been a lot more water vapor in the atmosphere, possibly blocking cosmic rays from generating C-14 at the same rate that occurs today. Note that it’s quite easy to hypothesize.
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catholic2
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I suppose that water canopy, still being intact in pre-flood could have that effect on C14. So the lush vegetation and teeming fauna coupled with more atmospheric water vapor could significantly reduce the C14 factor at that time relative to present levels. Sounds good to me, thanks. But is it possible to prove a reduced level of C14?
(I’m puzzled - did you really want to give me an argument for a young earth?)
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catholic2
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ldolphin.org/sewell/c14dating.html
Site says that C14 shows a young earth and touches on the discussion above.
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So, for those who don’t see science and faith as contradictory, here’s a question on human evolution. I’ve been thinking of the Old Testament story, the way God chose a tribe and made them separate (think of all the laws in Leviticus, for instance, that seem designed to keep the Israelites as a distinct people), to form them into the nation Israel. Could God have worked in a similar fashion in creating humans? At some point in our biological past, there had to be a break separating humans from all the other animals, including our biological ancestors and cousins. Could it have worked similar to the separation and formation of Israel? God picks out Adam and Eve, the first humans, whose humanity is passed on through their descendents (almost like a gene)?
As to when this would have happened, around 40,000 years ago there was something called the “Great Leap Forward” - all of a sudden we find things like musical instruments, cave paintings, etc. Seriously, all of a sudden, just like that. Interesting, no?
As to when this would have happened, around 40,000 years ago there was something called the “Great Leap Forward” - all of a sudden we find things like musical instruments, cave paintings, etc. Seriously, all of a sudden, just like that. Interesting, no?
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vern_humphrey
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Philip P:
Now, could a being with a human-like mind exist without a soul? Certainly – Chimpanzees, for example, do not have immortal souls, but the more we learn about them, the more they seem to have minds like (but inferior to) ours.
Similarly, could a being exist that had an immortal soul, but not a mind like ours? Of course – there are plenty of people born with severe mental retardation, and no one denies they are as human as we are, with immortal souls.
So God could have ensouled an Adam who was a hominid (not a modern human), or He could have withheld the immortal soul from some very advanced creatures until modern Humans were fully developed.
Why not? After all, it is the soul that makes us human, not the body.
Now, could a being with a human-like mind exist without a soul? Certainly – Chimpanzees, for example, do not have immortal souls, but the more we learn about them, the more they seem to have minds like (but inferior to) ours.
Similarly, could a being exist that had an immortal soul, but not a mind like ours? Of course – there are plenty of people born with severe mental retardation, and no one denies they are as human as we are, with immortal souls.
So God could have ensouled an Adam who was a hominid (not a modern human), or He could have withheld the immortal soul from some very advanced creatures until modern Humans were fully developed.
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