Second Coming of Jesus

[psyche23]

There is indication he will return after 2000 years when he said “destroy the Temple and in three days I’ll raise it” and it was the Temple of his body, and a day is like a 1000 years. He’ll rule with the saints for 1000 years while Satan is bound, then after Satan is released and defeated forever, at that time after 3000 years when he left, Jesus himself is the Temple of New Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

If you mean, Jesus will return after 2000 years, then will rule for 1000 more after Satan is bound and can’t deceive the nations, that’s what I mean too.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

We can’t know the day nor hour but we can know the season.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

There is a WONDERFUL author by the name of Scott Hahn who addressed just these issues. I could type them all out, but it would take forever!!!

 

[inJESUS]

God dwelled in the Temple, that was His house on earth, and the place of His Kingdom.

so the Kingdom of God is the Temple? is this what scripture says?

Now it is empty but represented there by faith of Muslims, who through Ishmael represent the Gentile branch of Abraham.

when Jesus talked about another nations, He did not instruct His apostles to go preach Ishmaelites…any Non-Jew is a gentile and the Kingdom is given to any Jew and Non-Jew who believed in Jesus, hundreds of years before Muhammad, and thousands of years after Him. Jesus was not giving a piece of land to Ishmaelites.

do you have documents linking Muslims or Arabs to Ishmael? because Arabs existed before Ishmael, unless i misunderstood your point.

 

[TDiGaetano]

The Roman Empire wasn’t the Whore since it wasn’t married to God, Judah is as explained. The Whore is ruling with the Beast, which is a great Gentile power like the Roman Empire. The False Prophet is these two powers combined, a coalition of Jews and Gentiles made to look like Messiah and savior of the world from evil. Or terrorism maybe.

When Jesus returns the False Prophet and Beast are cast into the Lake of Fire. So none of this has happened yet.

*Revelation 20:4-6
4They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. *

I guess there was no first ressurection then? It is possible though not much proof that Protestantism is the result of the end of the 1000 year reign. As we see today in the secular society that has grown out of the Protestant reformation seem that now is the time at which satan is let loose for a short time. Before the 2nd coming.

 

[inJESUS]

FaithofAbraham is not a Protestant. He is a Muslim who tries to reconcile OT, NT and Quran, by giving his own interpretation of scriptures, and rejecting any kind of tradition…

 

[TDiGaetano]

This post is for a look at the book of Rev from a different angle. Has no backing of the church or its teachings.

In Rev 20:7-10

*Satan’s Doom
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison *

This is the when the Protestant reformation occurred. Christianity had defeated the Roman empire and brought Christ’s peace to the world for about 1000 years prior to the reformation. All who lived under the guidance of the Church live peaceful spiritual lives.

*8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. *

The devil goes out and gathers the Protestant west and the Islamic East and gets them ready for battle.

*9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. *

Just so happens that the Vatican is in the middle of the Protestant west and the Islamic east. The camp of God’s people, the city he loves.

• But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. *

No worries for Catholics because God will protect us against the two opposing forces.

• 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. *

And Peace shall reign once again with Jesus’ second coming.

The point of this is anyone can interpret scripture to show any point in human history as the end or near the end to suit their own views. The only thing that matters now in the end days which we have been in for the last 2000 years is that we strive for unity of not just one world religion but a unity of Love where we can all walk around without fear and praise the Lord in the ways that we have been brought up in. God wants all his children to be united and to love him to the best of their abilities. God wants us to reject the world and prepare to be with him in his kingdom. God wants us to reject sin and accept Christ. If God wants everyone to be one religion he will move the heart of those who truly seek him and bring them home. It doesn’t matter if your Protestant, Catholic, Islamic or what ever trust in God and let him work through you and share the love of the hope and truth that resides inside of you. It is easy to spot those who are not of God because they do not display the love of God. Trust in God and his Love and show that Love to those who persecute you.

 

[inJESUS]

The point of this is anyone can interpret scripture to show any point in human history as the end or near the end to suit their own views. .

agree.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

so the Kingdom of God is the Temple? is this what scripture says?

God’s House is the Temple in the capital of the kingdom Jerusalem. Was then, will be in the end according to Revelation.

Ishmael is symbolic of Gentiles, Isaac is symbolic of Jews, under Abraham who receives the New Covenant from Jesus.

Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

The best evidence is in the Bible, as we know with Jesus since there is no other documentation from his lifetime deemed historical from anywhere else. Muslims are wild and a magnet for violence, and dwelling among Jews, aside from all other sources about it. In the Middle East there are pretty much Muslims and Jews, and also some Christians. It’s that way for a reason.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Revelation 20:4-6
4They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I guess there was no first ressurection then? It is possible though not much proof that Protestantism is the result of the end of the 1000 year reign. As we see today in the secular society that has grown out of the Protestant reformation seem that now is the time at which satan is let loose for a short time. Before the 2nd coming.

To my knowledge Jesus hasn’t come in the clouds with angels and waged war with anyone yet, which is to happen before the 1000 years.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

This post is for a look at the book of Rev from a different angle. Has no backing of the church or its teachings.

The point of this is anyone can interpret scripture to show any point in human history as the end or near the end to suit their own views.

That wouldn’t work since it happens in Israel.

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

We’re given prophecies for a reason, mostly to increase faith when things unfold so we can see them happen, and at times when we need it the most. Jesus didn’t give all the prophecies of the fig and such then say, “nah, forget about it, not important.” In fact he railed on Jews for disregarding the prophets.

 

[TDiGaetano]

That wouldn’t work since it happens in Israel.

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

We’re given prophecies for a reason, mostly to increase faith when things unfold so we can see them happen, and at times when we need it the most. Jesus didn’t give all the prophecies of the fig and such then say, “nah, forget about it, not important.” In fact he railed on Jews for disregarding the prophets.

You do realize that part of Ezekiel is talking about a threat that comes onto Israel after they returned from exile to make them know that God is real. What happened to Israel? The Roman Empire came and conquored them for their unbelief. God then made the word incarnate and gave to the Jews and the gentiles Jesus Christ so they may believe that God is True and trust in him. God then used his people who were now Christians to conquor the Romans and establish his new Church that will reign for 1000 years.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You do realize that part of Ezekiel is talking about a threat that comes onto Israel after they returned from exile to make them know that God is real. What happened to Israel? The Roman Empire came and conquored them for their unbelief. God then made the word incarnate and gave to the Jews and the gentiles Jesus Christ so they may believe that God is True and trust in him. God then used his people who were now Christians to conquor the Romans and establish his new Church that will reign for 1000 years.

Are you saying Rome is Gog? If so when did people living in Israel bury Romans in the desert there and burn all the weapons?

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

 

[TDiGaetano]

Are you saying Rome is Gog? If so when did people living in Israel bury Romans in the desert there and burn all the weapons?

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

Ezekiel 39:9 shows that Israel is disarming and that they are no longer going to fight. 39:10 shows they are going to be a change in power or revenge not by war but by Love. 39:11 This is God’s purpose is to show Himself as holy. He acts according to what is morally right.

God will bring Israel back from the lands to which they were scattered. God will no longer leave any of them among the nations. This is the start of the messianic age. We can look at

*Daniel 12.7

And I heard the man that was clothed in linen, that stood upon the waters of the river: when he had lifted up his right hand, and his left hand to heaven, and had sworn, by him that liveth for ever, that it should be unto a time, and times, and half a time. And when the scattering of the band of the holy people shall be accomplished, all these things shall be finished. *

the angel in this passage tells Daniel that the time for all the things he has been shown will be when the shattering of the power of the holy people ends.

 

[peary]

Hi

Any idea when Jesus will come and in which denomination/faith/religion; date, month, year ?
How to recognize him?

Thanks

**The Bible specifically tells us that no one - NO ONE - knows the hour of the Second Coming except for God Himself. **

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Ezekiel 39:9 shows that Israel is disarming and that they are no longer going to fight. 39:10 shows they are going to be a change in power or revenge not by war but by Love. 39:11 This is God’s purpose is to show Himself as holy. He acts according to what is morally right.

God will bring Israel back from the lands to which they were scattered. God will no longer leave any of them among the nations. This is the start of the messianic age. We can look at…

Israel has already been restored when this happens with Gog and Magog:

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Living under Messiah:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

So this happens 1000 years after the Second Coming at the end of the Millennium:

Revelation 20:7-9 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Ezekiel 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

So Ezekiel 39:9 refers to enemy weapons:

Ezekiel 38:3-4 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords

Ezekiel 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

 

[Zooey]

the point is that the date is of secondary importance because we dont know when…it is a certainty He is coming to judge (important), but secondary is the date because we must be prepared always.

Faith of Abraham:

We can’t know the day nor hour but we can know the season.

No!! No, we can’t!! It is not our business to know these things!! These are for God alone to know.
Our business is to be** ready to meet Him when He comes**!!:byzsoc:

 

[FaithofAbraham]

No!! No, we can’t!! It is not our business to know these things!! These are for God alone to know.
Our business is to be** ready to meet Him when He comes**!!:byzsoc:

If we weren’t supposed to know Jesus would have kept it all a secret.

 

[planten]

If we weren’t supposed to know Jesus would have kept it all a secret.

It is a dismay, a practice in futility, waiting for some one for 2000 years without knowing when he will come again. In Islam, it is essential to understand that any one who has died will never come back again in this world. Nor are there any laws which tell us about how one will reclaim his wife and children and other property if any one returned to this world.

We don’t know about Jesus when he will come. There cannot be an exact date. Only signs and symbols can be a guide. The second coming of Jesus (Isa a.s.) is described in a very important Hadith. But That hadith does not say it will be the same old Jesus or some one in the ways of Jesus. like John the baptist came in the promised place of Elias.

One great messenger of Allah has come (600 years) after Jesus. It is better for the christians to believe in him and take all directions from the dictates of that final messenger (Muhammad). Muhammad is the son of man who came in the name of the LORD.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

One great messenger of Allah has come (600 years) after Jesus. It is better for the christians to believe in him and take all directions from the dictates of that final messenger (Muhammad). Muhammad is the son of man who came in the name of the LORD.

We are supposed to follow all the prophets not just Mohammed.

Quran 3:3-4 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong).

 

[paarsurrey]

**The Bible specifically tells us that no one - NO ONE - knows the hour of the Second Coming except for God Himself. **

Hi

I agree that Jesus did not know anything, unless revealed by GodAllahYHWH. If GodAllahYHWH did not inform Jesus, He might have informed to someone else, in general terms and also in specific terms; the above quoted passage did not put any restriction on GodAllahYHWH.

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I agree that Jesus did not know anything, unless revealed by GodAllahYHWH. If GodAllahYHWH did not inform Jesus, He might have informed to someone else, in general terms and also in specific terms; the above quoted passage did not put any restriction on GodAllahYHWH.

Thanks

Dear Paarsurrey,

Your analogy is incorrect. If GodAllahYHWH did not tell Jesus what to convey, then it means that GodAllahYHWH decided not to tell anything. Jesus is the word of God. You are correct to say that whatever Jesus said is from God. But, if Jesus said nothing, it means that GodAllahYHWH also said nothing.