Second Coming of Jesus

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Dear Paarsurrey,
Your analogy is incorrect. If GodAllahYHWH did not tell Jesus what to convey, then it means that GodAllahYHWH decided not to tell anything. Jesus is the word of God. You are correct to say that whatever Jesus said is from God. But, if Jesus said nothing, it means that GodAllahYHWH also said nothing.
Hi

I am sorry, I don’t agree with you. GodAllahYHWH has not to take permission from Jesus. GodAllahYHWH is All-Powerful and Master of All- the Creations, he would speak with anybody he chooses and anytime.

You could differ with me, that is your discretion.

Thanks
 
Hi

I am sorry, I don’t agree with you. GodAllahYHWH has not to take permission from Jesus. GodAllahYHWH is All-Powerful and Master of All- the Creations, he would speak with anybody he chooses and anytime.

You could differ with me, that is your discretion.

Thanks
No, Paar. You misunderstood me. Let me clarify my point. If GodAllahYHWH says nothing, then Jesus says nothing. If GodAllahYHWH says “a”, then Jesus says “a”. If other prophet received a word of God, then such prophet received Jesus, since Jesus is the word of God. There cannot be that GodAllahYHWH says something to a prophet that Jesus does not know, because it was Jesus himself that God convey to such prophet. Our human language “Jesus” is interchangeable with “Word of God” (without any changes of meaning) just like light is both particle and wavelength. I do not mean that God must obey Jesus. You said so because you don’t believe that Jesus is the word of GodAllahYHWH which became human.
 
Paarsurrey, why are you so interested in Jesus second coming? Are you afraid or something? There is so much to do here and now, instead of worrying about the Lord’s second coming.

If we all are trying to be good, the second coming, whether it’s now or later, does not matter, does it?

No compulsion, you are free to have your own opinion.

Thanks.

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Hi

I am sorry, I don’t agree with you. GodAllahYHWH has not to take permission from Jesus. GodAllahYHWH is All-Powerful and Master of All- the Creations, he would speak with anybody he chooses and anytime.

You could differ with me, that is your discretion.

Thanks
Paars,
You do know we believe Jesus and God are one dont you?
 
It is a dismay, a practice in futility, waiting for some one for 2000 years without knowing when he will come again.

because you are thinking in human terms…being always ready might be a futility for you, not to God.
In Islam, it is essential to understand that any one who has died will never come back again in this world. Nor are there any laws which tell us about how one will reclaim his wife and children and other property if any one returned to this world.
 
FaithofAbraham;3170638 said:
inJESUS;3169955 said:
my question was in reference to your quote below:

The Temple was destroyed, the place where it sits, being the House of God, is the physical seat of God’s Kingdom.

We have the physical forshadowings of the spiritual types. Like the Kaaba is New Jerusalem, and Muslims occupy the Mount. The Temple itself inside New Jerusalem is God and Jesus in Revelation. All of this together is God’s Kingdom.

When Jesus said it would be given to another nation he was referring to Gentiles since they accept Jesus and Jews do not. As I’ve said Ishmael represents Gentiles.

But remember Christianity started as a Jewish sect so Islam is a truly Gentile religion started by Arabs that accepts Jesus, that’s how we get the connection to Ishmael as he was the Gentile to Isaac’s Jewishness.

Psalms 118:22-26 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity. Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

Matthew 21:42-43 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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When Jesus said **it **would be given to another nation he was referring to Gentiles since they accept Jesus and Jews do not.
what would be given? the temple? what about the Jews who did?
 
what would be given? the temple? what about the Jews who did?
To Muslims he gave them the seat of the Temple Mount so now Jews are going to have a hard time building another Jewish Temple for their own False Messiah there. Jews who accept Jesus are a tiny minority and are counted as non-Jews by all other Jews, by Judaism, and by the State of Israel.

To Christians God also gave power over Jews. So there are several facets to God’s Kingdom.
 
where do you find this in Jesus’ words that He will give the temple to Muslims? can you quote things?
There are now maybe .05% of all Jews saying they are Jews who accept Jesus. The rest were assimilated into Christianity. There were always some righteous Jews in the OT, but as a whole God called Jews harlots and other things when the majority was disobedient.
 
Hi

Any idea when Jesus will come and in which denomination/faith/religion; date, month, year ?
How to recognize him?

Thanks
He’s coming with a machine gun and a grenade launcher to kick butt for Allah.

Just kidding.

Anyway, nobody knows. But when he does, you’ll know.
 
The Temple was destroyed, the place where it sits, being the House of God, is the physical seat of God’s Kingdom.
I’m afraid you are mistaken. Jesus presented himself as God’s dwelling place among men presaging the destruction of the Temple.

John 2:19-21 Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and you will raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

Matt 12:6 I say to you, something greater than the temple is here.

The Temple sight is not the seat of God’s Kingdom.

John 4:21 *Jesus said to her, "Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. *
We have the physical forshadowings of the spiritual types. Like the Kaaba is New Jerusalem, and Muslims occupy the Mount. The Temple itself inside New Jerusalem is God and Jesus in Revelation. All of this together is God’s Kingdom.
Jesus is talking about Himself and the Church.

Eph. 5:29-32 For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. . .This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

Matt 16:18-19 *And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." *
When Jesus said it would be given to another nation he was referring to Gentiles since they accept Jesus and Jews do not. As I’ve said Ishmael represents Gentiles.
But remember Christianity started as a Jewish sect so Islam is a truly Gentile religion started by Arabs that accepts Jesus, that’s how we get the connection to Ishmael as he was the Gentile to Isaac’s Jewishness.
Doesn’t Islam reject Jesus as their Messiah?

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
I’m afraid you are mistaken. Jesus presented himself as God’s dwelling place among men presaging the destruction of the Temple.

John 2:19-21 Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and you will raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

Matt 12:6 I say to you, something greater than the temple is here.

The Temple sight is not the seat of God’s Kingdom.

John 4:21 *Jesus said to her, "Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. *

Jesus is talking about Himself and the Church.

Eph. 5:29-32 For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. . .This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

Matt 16:18-19 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Doesn’t Islam reject Jesus as their Messiah?

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
Yes, Jesus is the Temple of New Jerusalem, and the Kingdom includes believers. But there is still symbolism in the Temple Mount, anything major that happens there from here on in is going to mean something in prophecy. That’s what the abomination of desolation for Jews is all about, they lose their Temple to another nation.

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The Quran says Jesus is Messiah and a lot of Muslims know what that means in Jewish prophecy – the human king of David – but a lot don’t. So the Quran doesn’t reject Jesus as Messiah.
 
We don’t know about Jesus when he will come. There cannot be an exact date. Only signs and symbols can be a guide. The second coming of Jesus (Isa a.s.) is described in a very important Hadith. But That hadith does not say it will be the same old Jesus or some one in the ways of Jesus. like John the baptist came in the promised place of Elias.

One great messenger of Allah has come (600 years) after Jesus. It is better for the christians to believe in him and take all directions from the dictates of that final messenger (Muhammad). Muhammad is the son of man who came in the name of the LORD.
**Are you comparing Jesus second coming in the person of Muhammad? as you just described John the baptist in the person of Elijah ? **Muhammad did not come to us from heaven in the sky in Glory. If you think so, you might be calling God a liar from his sacred word, Muhammad message does not equal with Jesus message they conflict, and God is the same God yesterday, today, and forever more. Muhammad’s message does not follow Jesus message in your comparison to John the Baptist and Elijah. Please clarify your call for Christians to follow Jesus in Muhammad. This is all new to me.

please clarify your post
 
**Are you comparing Jesus second coming in the person of Muhammad? as you just described John the baptist in the person of Elijah ? **Muhammad did not come to us from heaven in the sky in Glory. If you think so, you might be calling God a liar from his sacred word, Muhammad message does not equal with Jesus message they conflict, and God is the same God yesterday, today, and forever more. Muhammad’s message does not follow Jesus message in your comparison to John the Baptist and Elijah. Please clarify your call for Christians to follow Jesus in Muhammad. This is all new to me.
please clarify your post
Hi

The PromisedMessiah (Jesus’ Second Coming) would be born, he won’t come from the skies, that you have misunderstood, I think.

Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man* shall sit on the seat of his majesty,** you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
  • New birth
    ** Jesus
One could see it is all symbolic, not literal or physical. The person whom Jesus was addressing have died, they are not to sit on twelve seats.

Thanks
 
Doesn’t Islam reject Jesus as their Messiah?
Hi

Islam does not reject Jesus who was born naturally to Mary (only the conception to Mary was unusual, birth was absolutely natural) and Jesus also died naturally; so Islam accepts JesusMessiah as a ProphetMessenger and ChosenOne of GodAllahYHWH.

Islam does not accept that Jesus s/o Mary would come literally and physically in this world again that chapter is closed; but Islam’s JesusMessiah would be born in a Muslim family and not in a Catholic family and he would be a SuccessorKhalifa to Muhammad and act accoring to the teachings of Quran and not Bible.

This is what we understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Your concept could be different, no compulsion.

Thanks
 
Islam does not accept that Jesus s/o Mary would come literally and physically in this world again that chapter is closed; but Islam’s JesusMessiah would be born in a Muslim family and not in a Catholic family and he would be a SuccessorKhalifa to Muhammad and act accoring to the teachings of Quran and not Bible.

This is what we understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
Where is all that stated in the Quran?
 
If we weren’t supposed to know Jesus would have kept it all a secret.
He did. That is our point!!
The followers of Christ were interested in when the prophecies would be fulfilled. Jesus told them, “No man knows the day nor the hour”.
It is none of our business. That is for God to know.
Our job is to serve Him, every day & every hour, as though He were going to come at any time. That is what we have been told to do. It is a matter of obedience to the will of God, to serve God; not to run off on a rabbit trail of something as beside the point as the timing of Christ’s return.
Is it tempting to speculate? Of course. But we have our “marching orders”, and those orders are to live as though each minute was to be our last one, because, one day, that will be the truth.:byzsoc: :gopray2: :gopray2: :crossrc:
 
Hi

The PromisedMessiah (Jesus’ Second Coming) would be born, he won’t come from the skies, that you have misunderstood, I think.

Your kidding right? where did you get Jesus second coming would be born and not from heaven to judge the living and the dead.

Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man* shall sit on the seat of his majesty,** you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

**Jesus is promised the twelve seats to his apostles in the new age. I dont recall your word “regeneration” or take Jesus to mean anything symbolic? your preaching to the wrong choir. Where do you get your authority to interpret Christian teaching from the sacred scriptures?

PS can you answer my ? to panten? about Jesus second coming in the person of Muhammed, or did I misunderstand his Quote.

thanks**
  • New birth
    ** Jesus
One could see it is all symbolic, not literal or physical. The person whom Jesus was addressing have died, they are not to sit on twelve seats.

Thanks
 
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