Second Coming of Jesus

[FaithofAbraham]

100% wrong. Jesus will come back to rescue Israel from Satan and the nations that go up against Israel.

That is after the 1000 years when Jesus is already here ruling and Satan is released from binding.

But before Jesus returns now, Judah is the Whore of Babylon that is ravaged by the 10 Horns of the Beast, which represent the Ten Tribes of Israel scattered among Gentile nations. It will be punished again just like it was with Babylon. Then Jews will finally believe.

Unless there is a miracle like with Jonah and Nineveh and 99% of all Jews stop rejecting Jesus and accept him on their own without drastic measures, though I would have expected that to happen after the Holocaust if it was ever going to happen at all.

I hope for their sakes they repent soon and stop allowing anti-Christianity or at the least, allowing atheism as they do.

 

[planten]

100% wrong. Jesus will come back to rescue Israel from Satan and the nations that go up against Israel.

**100% wrong. Christians are waiting for Jesus second coming for the last 2000 years. The Jews are waiting for their Messiah for about 3000 years. Is it not all a joke?When Jesus came as a Messiah, his people did not recognise him and did not believe in him. Let us for the sake of the Jews admit that he (Jesus) was a wrong man, wrong Messiah. What proof is there if one comes again and he says, it is my second coming, will the Jews accept him?

If he does not say that it is his second coming, even then how will the Jews recognise him? They will get out their old books and find fault with him very soon.

As far as christians are concerned, they should not hope for Jesus to come again because Elias has not come yet. If John the baptist could be Elias then it means that JESUS himself will not come. Some one else will come in his place as the case was with Elias. So no use looking for the same Jesus son of Mary to come back in this rotten world.**

 

[Lev23]

**100% wrong. Christians are waiting for Jesus second coming for the last 2000 years. The Jews are waiting for their Messiah for about 3000 years. Is it not all a joke?When Jesus came as a Messiah, his people did not recognise him and did not believe in him. Let us for the sake of the Jews admit that he (Jesus) was a wrong man, wrong Messiah. What proof is there if one comes again and he says, it is my second coming, will the Jews accept him?

If he does not say that it is his second coming, even then how will the Jews recognise him? They will get out their old books and find fault with him very soon.

As far as christians are concerned, they should not hope for Jesus to come again because Elias has not come yet. If John the baptist could be Elias then it means that JESUS himself will not come. Some one else will come in his place as the case was with Elias. So no use looking for the same Jesus son of Mary to come back in this rotten world.**

You said the Jews did not accept the Messiah. Well, a remnant of them did. God always has a believing remnant of Israel.

YOU said their case is “closed”. Not according to scripture. No man, especially of Israel, has fallen so far as to not be saved.

This fact alone shows you are wrong on you saying how “their Messiah will never come.” He can come now for any of them when they understand and believe his(Jesus) Gospel is the truth. But scripture also declares the Messiah, Jesus, is coming back to save a remnant of Israel when he comes back to this world…

 

[MrS]

That is after the 1000 years when Jesus is already here ruling and Satan is released from binding.

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Totally rejecte by Scripture.

The rapture, the Second Coming, the end of the age, all come on the Last Day. There is no support for this except in Left Behind fantasy books and movies.

 

[Lev23]

Totally rejecte by Scripture.

The rapture, the Second Coming, the end of the age, all come on the Last Day. There is no support for this except in Left Behind fantasy books and movies.

What is totally rejected by scripture by what you quoted him?

** Originally Posted by FaithofAbraham
That is after the 1000 years when Jesus is already here ruling and Satan is released from binding.**

Revelation 20:8-9
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

 

[MrS]

What is totally rejected by scripture by what you quoted him?

**Originally Posted by FaithofAbraham **
That is after the 1000 years when Jesus is already here ruling and Satan is released from binding.

Revelation 20:8-9
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

I would suggest listening to a fuller explanation than I could give here…
biblechristiansociety.com/download and click on The Rapture and the Bible

or investigate The Rapture Trap or other similar Catholic work.

The Scriptures are too clear on The Last Day to allow for a literalist interpretation of the 1000 years.

 

[Lev23]

I would suggest listening to a fuller explanation than I could give here…
biblechristiansociety.com/download and click on The Rapture and the Bible

or investigate The Rapture Trap or other similar Catholic work.

The Scriptures are too clear on The Last Day to allow for a literalist interpretation of the 1000 years.

I listened to this particular .mp3. Anyone can come to this conclusion about the last day, day of the Lord, etc. if they leave Israel out of end-times prophecy. I have read artciles from Salza and Sungenis on how they remove any importance of Israel in the last days(as well as the present time) , and it is very sobering to read such things. This in despite what scripture says about how things will be when the Messiah comes back to reign in his Kingdom.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I would suggest listening to a fuller explanation than I could give here…
biblechristiansociety.com/download and click on The Rapture and the Bible

or investigate The Rapture Trap or other similar Catholic work.

The Scriptures are too clear on The Last Day to allow for a literalist interpretation of the 1000 years.

Ezekiel also indicates “David” will be there over his sheep when Gog and Magog attack Israel. So again it’s after 1000 years. Some people just want to pretend it doesn’t say this because they believe Israel is good since it is friends with the USA. So they let patriotism and nationalism blind them to the truth that Israel runs off Judaism and **Judaism is an antichrist religion **which allows for all beliefs except for belief in Jesus.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7-9 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[MrS]

What religion is

Faith of Abraham ???

 

[FaithofAbraham]

What religion is

Faith of Abraham ???

Unbound by religions.

 

[MrS]

Unbound by religions.

So, “religion” which means a “relationship with God” should be unbound by a “relationship with God”

that is goofy

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So, “religion” which means a “relationship with God” should be unbound by a “relationship with God”

that is goofy

It means though I identify as a Muslim because I find truth in the Quran, and as a convenience to let people know that I do, I disregard the majority of views in Islam that the crucifixion is false, or that Ishmael was the one bound, and so on, and attribute their views to misinterpretation of the Quran.

If religion is a set doctrine of beliefs and practices, and if they conflict with common sense, then I reject it. And I’ve never found a formal religion that displays common sense on all the issues.

 

[MrS]

If religion is a set doctrine of beliefs and practices, and if they conflict with common sense, then I reject it. And I’ve never found a formal religion that displays common sense on all the issues.

Stop looking. Divine “sense” and our limited “common sense” are not compatible.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Stop looking. Divine “sense” and our limited “common sense” are not compatible.

How would you know that divine sense is not compatible if you are unable to know what divine sense is due to imitations of your own mortal sense? You are just contradicting yourself.

On the other hand it all makes sense to me, the way I see it. God creates humans then goes to dwell in them so they become prophets, or kings, or the Messiah. No mystery religions in my faith, it’s clear as a bell.

 

[paarsurrey]

**Judaism is an antichrist religion **which allows for all beliefs except for belief in Jesus.

Hi

In a way since Judaism opposed Jesus and tried to execute him on Cross, though they failed in this attempted murder; in my opinion, so they were opponent of Jeus, but here an anti-Christ has been prophesized which did not exist in the time of Jesus so in that sense the prophecy does not relate to Judaism, I think.

I am not an anti-Catholicism and I respect Pope being figurehead of the Catholics. I recently read from some Christian denomination that Catholicism is the Anti-Christ.

If one googles the word Anti-Christ, one finds following links mentioned there:

1. The Antichrist

Biblical Proof, Read the evidence from the Bible itself that the Pope is the antichrist. The Cult of Rome, Evidence that the Roman Catholic Church is a …
www.antichristconspiracy.com/the_antichrist.htm

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We know that at the time of Second Coming of the PromisedMessiah, he would confront the Anti-Christ and would kill him with arguments. Similarly it is stated that Gog Magog would also appear. Some mention of a rupture. This is said to happen at the same time.

Am I right?

Thanks

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Hi

In a way since Judaism opposed Jesus and tried to execute him on Cross, though they failed in this attempted murder; in my opinion, so they were opponent of Jeus, but here an anti-Christ has been prophesized which did not exist in the time of Jesus so in that sense the prophecy does not relate to Judaism, I think.

Either you are for Jesus, or neutral. Or against Jesus. Since Judaism explicitly forbids belief in Jesus – you can’t convert to Judaism if you say you believe in Jesus – then it is against Jesus, or antichrist, that’s what that means. It means you go against Jesus, and Judaism does, unquestionably.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

In a way since Judaism opposed Jesus and tried to execute him on Cross, though they failed in this attempted murder; in my opinion, so they were opponent of Jeus, but here an anti-Christ has been prophesized which did not exist in the time of Jesus so in that sense the prophecy does not relate to Judaism, I think.

I am not an anti-Catholicism and I respect Pope being figurehead of the Catholics. I recently read from some Christian denomination that Catholicism is the Anti-Christ.

If one googles the word Anti-Christ, one finds following links mentioned there:

1. The Antichrist

We know that at the time of Second Coming of the PromisedMessiah, he would confront the Anti-Christ and would kill him with arguments. Similarly it is stated that Gog Magog would also appear. Some mention of a rupture. This is said to happen at the same time.

Am I right?

Thanks

Dear Paar,

Are you quoting the angel of Gabriel? My question is, do you believe on things that those people said by quoting them in this forum?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Hi

Any idea when Jesus will come and in which denomination/faith/religion; date, month, year ?
How to recognize him?

Thanks

I cannot give the exact date, but I know for sure when it will happen.

The end of the world and the day I will see Jesus, (for me) is the day that I die.

I think that this question might be more appropriate for the fundamentalist, evangelical crowd, they are the ones who seem to be obsessed with all that “end times” nonsense.

I know that Jim Jones, David Koresh, the members of ‘heaven’s gate” and many others have been wrong.

Many of them (the “Christian” soothsayers) were certain the Pope John Paul II was the antichrist and when they discovered that he really was a holy man and not the antichrist, they had to start all over. I am still waiting for an apology.

This type of nonsense and all this business with the “soothsayers” or “fortune telling Christians” is forbidden in the Bible and by the Catholic Church.

Fortune telling use to be illegal in every state in this country (and for good reason, it fell under: theft by trick or deception) until recent years when these people (thieves) found a loop-hole in the law and added the disclaimer “for entertainment purposes only”. The problem is, now millions of people believe this nonsense, I guess they don’t read the disclaimer.

This is what comes from bad personal interpretation found in many Protestant religions.

Don’t worry about “End Times”, just worry about meeting your maker and living your life as if it were your last day on earth.

“End Times” isn’t something that is focused on in the Catholic Mass, our focus in the Mass is on Jesus Christ. However, if you ask a Protestant he might say it’s the other way around (that their focus is on Jesus and ours is not) and then proceed to spend the next hour, or more talking about Revelations and “End Times”.

Doesn’t make much sense does it? Thank you for this thread.

 

[paarsurrey]

Don’t worry about “End Times”

Hi

I think you might be over-generalizing a phenomenon which is specific with figures, persons or certain events attached with it. Now if you believe in NTBible, and I am quite sure you do, then you cannot set aside things simply as superfluous. I think you won’t like that.

Please do not go into too much abstraction, there are certain tangible things mentioned in the scriptures which might have escaped your attention. To refresh your memory I give here only a few of them which could be seen in the previous posts.

Kindly ponder on them again:

#186 MrS
The Scriptures are too clear on The Last Day to allow for a literalist interpretation of the 1000 years.

#188 FaithofAbraham
Ezekiel also indicates “David” will be there over his sheep when Gog and Magog attack Israel. So again it’s after 1000 years.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7-9 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Kindly form your opinion considering the above passages.

Also kindly note that the Protestants are the people who are guided by the HolySpirit, so please keep this also in mind.

Thanks for contributing to this thread intelligently.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Hi

I think you might be over-generalizing a phenomenon which is specific with figures, persons or certain events attached with it. Now if you believe in NTBible, and I am quite sure you do, then you cannot set aside things simply as superfluous. I think you won’t like that.

Please do not go into too much abstraction, there are certain tangible things mentioned in the scriptures which might have escaped your attention. To refresh your memory I give here only a few of them which could be seen in the previous posts.

Kindly form your opinion considering the above passages.

Also kindly note that the Protestants are the people who are guided by the HolySpirit, so please keep this also in mind.

Thanks for contributing to this thread intelligently.

Here is my opinion, I don’t belive in wicthcraft, Physics or in fortune tellers, not even “christian fortune tellers”.

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I cannot give the exact date, but I know for sure when it will happen.

The end of the world and the day I will see Jesus, (for me) is the day that I die.

I think that this question might be more appropriate for the fundamentalist, evangelical crowd, they are the ones who seem to be obsessed with all that “end times” nonsense.

I know that Jim Jones, David Koresh, the members of ‘heaven’s gate” and many others have been wrong.

Many of them (the “Christian” soothsayers) were certain the Pope John Paul II was the antichrist and when they discovered that he really was a holy man and not the antichrist, they had to start all over. I am still waiting for an apology.

This type of nonsense and all this business with the “soothsayers” or “fortune telling Christians” is forbidden in the Bible and by the Catholic Church.

Fortune telling use to be illegal in every state in this country (and for good reason, it fell under: theft by trick or deception) until recent years when these people (thieves) found a loop-hole in the law and added the disclaimer “for entertainment purposes only”. The problem is, now millions of people believe this nonsense, I guess they don’t read the disclaimer.

This is what comes from bad personal interpretation found in many Protestant religions.

Don’t worry about “End Times”, just worry about meeting your maker and living your life as if it were your last day on earth.

“End Times” isn’t something that is focused on in the Catholic Mass, our focus in the Mass is on Jesus Christ. However, if you ask a Protestant he might say it’s the other way around (that their focus is on Jesus and ours is not) and then proceed to spend the next hour, or more talking about Revelations and “End Times”.

Doesn’t make much sense does it? Thank you for this thread.

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Yours, in Christ,

Jimmy Brousseau