Selection of Israel critic for US delegation to human rights forum raises concern

[Ghosty]

DNA testing between Yemenite Jews and various other of the world’s Jewish communities shows a common link, with most communities sharing similar paternal genetic profiles.

Yemenite Jews are closer to Ashkenazi Jews; not as you claim to “Palestinians”.

You obviously didn’t understand what I wrote. I said that Palestinians fall within the spectrum of Jewish heritage, between Ashkenazim and Yemenite Jews.

You really need to re-read YOUR Bible. We are a NATION. Nation of Israel. Land of Israel. They go together. Nations have a land. Ours is the land of Israel.

You don’t know the Catholic teaching on what Israel is, apparently.

You do know that King David came from Ruth the Moabite- right?

Yes, and Jesse, from the Tribe of Judah. That means he was genetically Jewish.

There were Jews living elsewhere, but the bulk were here until we were exiled.

And not all were exiled. Those that remained became what we call Palestinians. Genetic testing has proved this time and again.

As to the would have been “Palestinians”, first of all, you already heard what they themselves said. Are they lying?

And we already established that such last names as al-Masri (the Egyptian,), al-Djazair (the Algerian), el-Mughrabi (the Moroccan), al-Yamani (the Yemenite) and even al-Afghani are so common among those claiming to be “Palestinians.”

Read my previous post on this matter. Are the names Deutsch, Franco, and Goldman venerable Hebrew names?

The fact is that if you are Jewish you are very closely related by blood to Palestinians. In fact, both Palestinians and Jews are more closely related to each other than they are to the neighboring ethnic groups. Palestinians are “Israelis”, and Jews are “Palestinians”. There is no way around this fact, and no rewriting of history and selective quotes from political activists will change this.

Peace and God bless!

 

[scipio337]

…The fact is that if you are Jewish you are very closely related by blood to Palestinians. In fact, both Palestinians and Jews are more closely related to each other than they are to the neighboring ethnic groups. Palestinians are “Israelis”, and Jews are “Palestinians”. There is no way around this fact, and no rewriting of history and selective quotes from political activists will change this.

Peace and God bless!

Great, at least you don’t by the hysterical “Ashkenazi Jews are really Khazar Turks” hokum

Both groups have historical, genetic, cultural, and religious ties to the region.

Unfortunately, when an international partition plan was developed, one group rejected it out of hand, and the result has been 60+ years of bloodshed, suffering, and hate.

yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm

If only things could have been different.

 

[iamrefreshed]

If only things could have been different.

Wait are you claiming it is possible to partition land and people based on religious identification and have multitudes of people relocate?

That’s ringing a bell for some reason.

 

[scipio337]

Wait are you claiming it is possible to partition land and people based on religious identification and have multitudes of people relocate?

That’s ringing a bell for some reason.

It has been done before in our post-colonial world.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

 

[Ghosty]

It has been done before in our post-colonial world.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

The “exchange” between Greece and Turkey was largely a recognition of a movement that had already occurred, and it still led to massive waves of violence and disruptions that still exist, such as the ultimate pending destruction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople.

The Partition of India was a disaster with far reaching consequences that persist to this day, including the open threat of nuclear war.

I hope you’re not suggesting that these are models of good policy. Ethnic cleansing, which is what both of these events were, has never worked out well. There’s very good reason that the Palestinians rejected the partitioning of their homeland, especially with European immigrants (and let’s not kid ourselves that the Israelis of the time were anything other than this).

Peace and God bless!

 

[scipio337]

The “exchange” between Greece and Turkey was largely a recognition of a movement that had already occurred.

The Partition of India was a disaster with far reaching consequences that persist to this day.

I hope you’re not suggesting that these are models of good policy. Ethnic cleansing, which is what both of these events were, has never worked out well.

Peace and God bless!

I’m not so sure I agree. Both were due to a colonial collapse. The Ottoman Empire in the former, and the British Raj in the former. If it’s an example of ethnic cleansing, I would wonder why there are still Muslim Turks living in Greece and the Aegean islands, and Greeks living in Turkey, or Hindus/Sikhs living in Pakistan and Muslims living in India.

I would call the Partition of India had a better outcome than the current situation in the Levant. If the 14 million displaced Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs in India/Pakistan inherited perpetual refugee status for 60+ years, we very well could have 100 million+ refugees there today

 

[Ghosty]

I’m not so sure I agree. Both were due to a colonial collapse. The Ottoman Empire in the former, and the British Raj in the former. If it’s an example of ethnic cleansing, I would wonder why there are still Muslim Turks living in Greece and the Aegean islands, and Greeks living in Turkey, or Hindus/Sikhs living in Pakistan and Muslims living in India.

Ethnic cleansing doesn’t have to be completed for it to be ethnic cleansing, just as genocide doesn’t have to be completed for it to be genocide. Would you deny that there was a Holocaust because there are Jews living in Germany today?

I would call the Partition of India had a better outcome than the current situation in the Levant. If the 14 million displaced Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs in India/Pakistan inherited perpetual refugee status for 60+ years, we very well could have 100 million+ refugees there today

It’s debatable whether or not the outcome in India/Pakistan is better than the Levant, but that’s really irrelevant. No one is claiming the current situation in the Levant is good, and we don’t know if a “successful” partitioning would have been better.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Nimzovik]

The Jews are now in Israel.

It is done.

It will **not **be undone.

The Jews are not in favor of Ethnic Cleansing. They are trying to survive in what is believed to be their Homeland.

Much Ethnic Cleansing is indeed thought of by Israel’s opposition - such as Uhhhh… let me see here… ah yes! …Iran! Hamas! Hezbollah! Iraq!

I *wish *it would be so that Humans would learn to work things out.

It is not so.

So.

What now?

Methinks, if left alone, the Jews would* not* be demonstrating an expansionist policy.

I do not think the same of their adversaries.

So.

How to advise the Jews then?

Methinks they have a strong desire to survive.

This is right and just.

They will do what needs to be done as they see it.

So… The question for **me **is… What will America do?

We see which direction Obama and his Democrats is leaning (read: steering the Nation towards an anti Israel Policy IMHO) methinks.

Methinks I am not voting for him.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

9/11 truther garbage

Actually no, they’re documented facts even reported on by conservative media outlets such as Fox News.

 

[Nimzovik]

Israel has spies in A m e r i c a? Nawwwwwwwwwww… Say it isn’t so!

***Really? ***

So, ‘you too have discovered America’ eh?

Ok listen up people.

Guess who else has spies in America? Anybody? You! In the back row…

America, being a potential ally, would indeed be spied upon by Israel.

Hmmmmmm… Anyone here think the U.S. has *ever *spied on Britain?

This is the game of nations. It is what they do.

America does* indeed* have it’s share of Black Ops as well…

Anyone wanna bet if we spied on Israel?

Anyone here think maybe that **Islam **has spies right here in the good ole U.S. of A? Ahmmmmmmmm? I note the Israeli spies actually spied on Arabs in the U.S. according to the Fox News Link provided above. Hmmmmmm…

China anyone? Russia? N. Korea? Do ya think?

Psssssssssst It does** not** mean that Israel took part in the actual bombing of the twin towers ok…?

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

America, being a potential ally would indeed be spied upon by Israel.

Except that usually an ally will tell you when it finds that persons are conspiring to commit an act of terrorism and share the actionable intelligence they’ve collected instead of sending its agents to “document the event” while dancing and cheering in the foreground. Those agents were arrested on suspicion of being co-conspirators in the attacks which is why this delegate called for Israel to be a suspect at the time. It wouldn’t have been the first time Israel committed an act of terrorism against the United States in a misguided attempt to persuade changes in US foreign policy.

Psssssssssst It does not mean that Israel took part in the actual bombing of the twin towers ok…?

That Israel knew about it and didn’t tell us is an indisputable fact. Their agents were conducting surveillance on Muhammad Atta the entire time and were sent to, in their own words, “document” the attack as it happened. They weren’t directly part of it but they were complicit. A very minor distinction.

 

[Nimzovik]

Except that usually an ally will tell you when it finds that persons are conspiring to commit an act of terrorism instead of sending its agents to “document the event” while dancing and cheering in the foreground.

Nimzovik Responds: Bolding mine:

Israel Dancing in the Foreground eh? And what? Israel documneted it so they could replay it at their Masad annual picnic for recreational purposes eh?

That Israel knew about it and didn’t tell us is an indisputable fact. Their agents were conducting surveillance on Muhammad Atta the entire time and were sent to, in their own words, “document” the attack as it happened. They weren’t directly part of it but they were complicit. A very minor distinction.

Nimzovik Responds:

Yah and we spied on Osama Bin Ladden too! Gee! He still pulled it off! He still bombed the twin towers!

Such is the nature of Politics and Intelligence Services. Ok?

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Such is the nature of Politics and Intelligence Services. Ok?

No, not ok. The Israelis had actionable intelligence and knew what Mohammad Atta was planning but instead of sharing it with the United States they chose to keep it to themselves and send 5 Mossad agents to Liberty Park to record the attack. Why did they want it recorded? Ask the Mossad.

Israel Dancing in the Foreground eh?

5 Mossad agents sent by the Israeli government to record the attacks dancing in the foreground.

 

[Nimzovik]

" 5 Mossad agents sent by the Israeli government to record the attacks dancing in the foreground"

Prove it. Remember - we are dealing with Intelligence agencies - agencies that are paid to lie.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Prove it. Remember - we are dealing with Intelligence agencies - agencies that are paid to lie.

After conducting surveillance on Mohammad Atta for the duration of his stay here what do you think the Mossad was doing in Liberty Park with a camera ready, rolling, and pointed at the WTC with a map in their van they had highlighted indicating the specific location of the towers? Just taking in the scenery? They said they were there to “document the event” and I believe them as, aside from that admission, all evidence points to that motive.

 

[Nimzovik]

They?

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

They?

Yes, they. The Mossad agents arrested and ultimately deported back to Israel.

 

[meltzerboy]

The Jews are now in Israel.

It is done.

It will **not **be undone.

The Jews are not in favor of Ethnic Cleansing. They are trying to survive in what is believed to be their Homeland.

Much Ethnic Cleansing is indeed thought of by Israel’s opposition - such as Uhhhh… let me see here… ah yes! …Iran! Hamas! Hezbollah! Iraq!

I *wish *it would be so that Humans would learn to work things out.

It is not so.

So.

What now?

Methinks, if left alone, the Jews would* not* be demonstrating an expansionist policy.

I do not think the same of their adversaries.

So.

How to advise the Jews then?

Methinks they have a strong desire to survive.

This is right and just.

They will do what needs to be done as they see it.

So… The question for **me **is… What will America do?

We see which direction Obama and his Democrats is leaning (read: steering the Nation towards an anti Israel Policy IMHO) methinks.

Methinks I am not voting for him.

You were doing so well until the last two statements! Actually only the penultimate sentence about Obama’s policy toward Israel since whom you vote for is your own decision, although methinks you would not have voted for Obama no matter what his policy toward Israel was.

 

[SuperLuigi]

You were doing so well until the last two statements! Actually only the penultimate sentence about Obama’s policy toward Israel since whom you vote for is your own decision, although methinks you would not have voted for Obama no matter what his policy toward Israel was.

Like it or not, the main issue, even if it’s underlying a bit, is the economy. Not abortion, not Israel.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Correct me if I am wrong… do not the scriptures say God will Bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel?

I don’t think I’ve ever cursed Israel, I just think it’s unwise to blindly defend a foreign nation. They haven’t been perfect either.

At this point, I’m content to let God defend Israel as He sees fit.