Seventh Day Adventists

[greggy53]

I have also looked into this church. The catch for me is setting unrealistic goals to fit in and not to get caught up in legalist thinking. From my own research into the SDA Church I’ve concluded that long term I just won’t get along unless I do the following:

1. Cease drinking coffee
2. Quit smoking
3. Become a vegetarian or use meat only in accordance with Old Testament laws.
   (Those three alone are a major changes requiring tremendous self discipline and time to achieve)
4. Never wear jewelry (I bead so I wear jewelry).
5. Minimal makeup (I’m training to be a makeup artist as we speak)
6. No “Saturday” activities requiring effort, it’s the Sabbath.
   As I am with the virgin Mary, I’m also uneasy about the prophet Ellen White.
   Im still interested in trying it out but I do have concerns about the rules.

No Coffee ??? Are they totally insane??
A long, long time ago my wife attended a church that didn’t allow a lot of stuff. In particular they said the women could only wear dresses and had to wear their hair long. Conversely the preacher told me I had to keep my hair short in order to be in compliance with scripture. 1st Corinthians I believe. It seemed strange to me because every painting I had ever seen of Jesus his hair was quite long. They said he didn’t really have long hair because that wasn’t the custom of the men of his day. I remember telling the preacher, well if Jesus kept to the customs of the men of his day and kept his hair short. What’s wrong with me keeping to the customs of men today and letting my hair grow??. He never liked me much, I asked a lot of questions. I still do. It’s good to ask questions.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Hi, Richard,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
How do you figure this. You can’t argue that he kept Sunday from those posts. So it can’t go any way you want it.

Paul’s letters are filled with his on-going efforts to convert his fellow Jews. To do this, he did what was necessary and that was to meet them in their synagogues - on the Sabbath - and preach to whomever was there. And, yes, Paul was very successful - but, not as successful as he would have wanted to be! What I am saying is that I am confident Paul worshiped God every day - not just on the Sabbath or on Sunday - but, every day. Now, you can say, “There is no evidence for this in Scripture” - and you would be right! But, that means that only what is written can be real - and we all know that more took place then what was written. It certainly is not unreasonable to say Paul worshiped God every day, is it?

This is what is called a “straw man” argument. You attribute to me a statement that I never made “There is no evidence for this in Scripture” and then try to tear down the “straw man” that is completely of your invention by saying “that means that only what is written can be real” All this to divert attention from the real evidence from scripture that Paul was a Sabbath keeper. To answer your concluding question/statement. No it is not unreasonable to say that Paul worshipped God every day and I think I made this very point in one of my earlier posts. However there is absolutely no evidence that Paul altho he had ample opportunity ever substituted the first day or Sunday for the Sabbath.

Well, it wasn’t Peter that changed the law. James does.

A truly interesting distinction - while one I do not agree with (Christ did not tell James that whatever James bound on earth was bound in heaven - Christ only gave that Power to Peter

Well if you disagree with this you are disagreeing with the bible not me. When Peter got up to talk he simply says that according to the vision he recieved (in acts 10) that he is told to bring the gospel message to the Gentiles. He does make mention in v.10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Of a yoke. Meaning the yoke of laws that were placed on the Jews by the Pharisees.
The one who makes the proclamation on what needs to be kept is James, Jesus’ brother. Who by the way was the leader of the Church in Jerusalem, not Peter. Then James gets up and after he acknowledges Peter. Acts 15:13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, **to take out of them a people for his name. ** (chosen people)
Makes the proclamation Acts15:19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Notice he does not even mention circumcision. This is because circumcision is still required. Only the outward sign of it is changed.
Rom. 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Why would Paul make such a big deal about being a Jew here (not outwardly in the flesh, but inwardly of the heart). It’s because SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that we have to convert to Judaism. What I am saying is that there is a general misunderstanding as to what a Jew is. In Rom. 9 Paul refers to them as Israelites 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not Hebrews: distinguished by language or Jews by race, but Israelites which designates them by their position as God’s chosen people. " to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;" they are heirs of the promises given to the fathers. In the NT the title is transferred to the Christian church, which Paul speaks of as “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16).

Eph2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. So, in times past we were Gentiles in the flesh being without Christ, but now through faith in Jesus Christ, we become cicumcised (Jews) not in the flesh, but in the heart.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

but, let’s not get distracted with that - you agree circumcision was changed - THIS LAW OF GOD NO LONGER HAD TO BE FOLLOWED. That is the heart of the matter - .

Your statement that “THIS LAW OF GOD NO LONGER HAD TO BE FOLLOWED”. is not completely accurate as I have shown in my previous reply to this post. It was merely changed from the external to the internal.

My statement is that it was done here -and, guess what, it was done in changing from the Sabbath to Sunday. Of course, you can again say, “There is no evidence for this in Scripture” and I am telling you that those who wrote the Scripture did not write everything down. Ah, but before you scoff and demand a scriptural reference, let me tell you about the Scriptural references in John 6 and he Last Supper accounts in Matthew, Mark and Luke where Christ said, This is My Body" and you do not believe His own words. Honest, Richard, you can’t have it both ways.

Again the straw man. You see Tom I never made this statement “There is no evidence for this in Scripture” So, when you start to tear down your straw man you are arguing with yourself, not me. This is really quite humrous when you come out of your intenal argument and rebuke me for your completely contrived scenario. “Honest, Richard, you can’t have it both ways” If you want to have an honest dialogue, why don’t we do just that and forgo the little games.

Really, Richard, the point of giving a lengthy quote is to prove a point - not to evade a point. Please focus on the fact that a major CHANGE took place - of a LAW that dated back to Abraham.

Yes a change did occur but, it was not major in that circumcision was not done away with, only the outward form was changed.

The Sabbath is different because it is part of the decalogue and is forever. Now, where does that come from?!

It comes from these scriptures and others
Isaiah 24:5The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Exodus 31:16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

How about this Tom
16For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

18For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

This is saying that the people of God will come out of all nations (not just Jews) to proclaim the glory of God. And God will set a sign among them. What do you suppose that sign is Tom.
Ex.31:13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

20And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.

Peter makes reference to this 1Peter2
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

This is probably an allusion to
Deut.14:1Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. As well as Isaiah 66:10

So, Peter makes a reference to the people of God in the new testament, that is talking about Christians and it is a direct reference to the old testament that is talking about Jews. Deut.14:2 and Isaiah 66:10
And then we have
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Well, apparently we will keep the sabbath day in the new heaven and the new earth.

This quote is of interest mainly because it is addressed SPECIFICALLY to the Children of Israel. I am a Christian - and, you are too! We are not Children of Israel - we are Children of God through Baptism.

It’s interesting that you use the term “children of Israel” Which means children of promise which is the promise of a Savior given to the patriarchs. So when you say that “We are not Children of Israel” You will have to speak for yourself.

Where in Scripture did God throw out the other 600+ Laws and just kept these 10?

Col2: 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[Javl]

I am of the opinion that Catdan and P101 are one and the same. Again I have received no answers to my questions. Truthfully, I don’t think I ever will since the allegations made concerning, and against, the CC are totally false.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Catdan]

Hi Javl, catdan here not p101. From reading most of the replies I do think your questions have been answered. I suppose if I were a catholic I would be defensive about the comments made about what others think of your church. What I haven’t seen is the cc’s interpretation of prophecy to show that the cc/pope/system or what ever won’t be the Antichrist.
P101 out. Oops I mean catdan out!!! Just play n with ya. Lol

 

[Javl]

Hi Javl, catdan here not p101. From reading most of the replies I do think your questions have been answered. I suppose if I were a catholic I would be defensive about the comments made about what others think of your church. What I haven’t seen is the cc’s interpretation of prophecy to show that the cc/pope/system or what ever won’t be the Antichrist.
P101 out. Oops I mean catdan out!!! Just play n with ya. Lol

You may say that my questions have been answered, but I have yet to see proof to support the comments and slurs made about the CC. And yes, I am very defensive when it comes to those unfounded comments and slurs made concerning my belief and faith.

The CC/Pope/system, or as you may call it “whatever”, is not and cannot be the Anti-Christ since the CC is Jesus’ Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, and protected from error by Him. Yes, many dark and evil clergy have been in the church, and for all I know there may be now and/or in the future. But this does not mean that the “whatever” is or can be the AntiChrist. We have Jesus’ words for that, and we trust in Him.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[greggy53]

Hi Javl, catdan here not p101. From reading most of the replies I do think your questions have been answered. I suppose if I were a catholic I would be defensive about the comments made about what others think of your church. What I haven’t seen is the cc’s interpretation of prophecy to show that the cc/pope/system or what ever won’t be the Antichrist.
P101 out. Oops I mean catdan out!!! Just play n with ya. Lol

Why is the burden of proof on us? Shouldn’t you have to demonstrate that proof being the one making the accusation?

 

[Catdan]

Greggy, I did it starts from page 56, its quite a lengthy document backed up with bible references and other refernce material. Did you not read it???

Have you got a document that explains prophecy so as I can understand the CC interpretation of Revelation and Daniel???

 

[Catdan]

Javl here again is the pagan issue that you said no one has answered.

Catholicism: A mixture of Paganism with Christianity

This religion, Roman Catholicism, is a mixture of Pagan rituals, customs, and beliefs. In its early years as a Pagan Roman Empire, as it rose to power it adopted Christianity through Constantine the first Pope (Read about Constantine in the books, “Sabotage?” pp. 19-20, and The Godfathers, pg. 7, both by Ex-Jesuit Alberto Rivera) in the effort to unite both paganism and Christianity in one fold, therefore increasing its members and its riches:

“The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, …the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}” -An Essay on the “The Development of the Christian Doctrine John Henry “Cardinal Newman” p.359 (Also see According to Dr. E. D. Clarke, Travels, vol. i. p. 352.)

“Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen… for the customs of the people are vain, one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.” -Jeremiah 10:1-4.

“Confiding then in the power of Christianity to resist the infection of evil, and to transmute the instruments and appendages of demon worship to an evangelical use… the rulers of the church from early times were prepared should occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the (Pagan) populace.” -Development of Christian Doctrine, Cardinal Newman. p. 372.

“The mighty Catholic Church was little more then the Roman Empire baptized.”-- A. C, Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, 1909 edition, p. 148.

"This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of ‘the man of sin’ foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan’s power–a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will. –The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, pg. 50.

 

[Catdan]

One of the biggest things that helped unite paganism with Christianity was the acceptance of the first day of the week as the day of religious worship in place of the true Sabbath, and the law Constantine decreed to enforce its observance. This was the day the pagans gathered to worship their sun gods:

“This Sunday law constituted no real favoritism to Christianity… It is evident from all his statuatory provisions that the Emperor during the time 313-323 with full consciousness has sought the realization of his religious aim: the amalgamation of heathenism and Christianity.” -Dr. A.Chr. Bang - Kirken og Romerstaten (The Church and the Roman State) p.256. Christiania, 1879.

Millions of people were deceived into believing that this movement was of God, now the persecutions under the Emperor Nero was at an end, and behold, the Emperor Constantine has converted to Christianity! Gullible Christians fell for this deception, but thousands of others understood this to be the antichrist foretold by prophecy.

Ex-Jesuit Alberto Rivera, who was in the inner library of the Vatican studying methods on how to best infiltrate and destroy the Christian churches, learned how Constantine had LIED about his conversion in order to unite paganism and Christianity so that his riches can be increased! Alberto says that he was still “secretly” worshiping his Babylonian sun god BAAL also called “Sol” (see Four Horsemen, Alberto Rivera, pg. 19, and Sabotage, pg. 19). Dr. Rivera says, “When Constantine set himself up as the first pope… he tried to pull Romans and Christians together by mixing Satanic Baal worship with the teachings of Christ. What came out of this mess was the Roman Catholic system.” See The Godfathers, page 7. “Dei Solis,” which is the day of the Sun, and Image worship were introduced into the churches. In order for this to happen, the 2nd commandment was ripped out of the Ten Commandments and the 4th was shortened to only say, “Remember the Sabbath day.” Written thus, ANY day can be the Sabbath, and the day chosen was the day of Baal… SUNday!

You can still notice the many sun symbols and rituals within this apostate church, like Sunday observance, the sun rings over the heads of the statues, the ‘plus’ sign on the baked cakes and her wafer she claims is literally God, etc. (most of these of which were adopted by the infiltrated protestant churches; they are seen in the churches today. Read more on the infiltration of churches by Jesuits in part 3). Pagan images of Jupitar, BAAL, Venus, and more, were brought into the churches, and given Christian names such as Peter, Jesus and Mary. Even Pagan customs were adopted!

“In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility, the priests adopted the outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults.” -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94

“The Church did everything it could to stamp out such ‘pagan’ rites, but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint’s name.” -Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

The Pagans, who were already accustomed to worshiping images, flocked in by the thousands! Paul in Rome already saw these things happening, and constantly warned with tears in his eyes of this soon coming abomination within the churches (Romans 16:17-18; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-5, Philippians 3:18-19)!

The Pagans also worshiped a goddess who they called the queen of heaven. She was called Diana by the heathens, Isis by the Egyptians and Semiramis by the Babylonians (see “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop, and “Sabotage?” by Alberto Rivera.). This goddess was one of the most powerful of the deities, right below Baal the sun-god (who was supposed to be her son).

“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour our drink offerings unto other gods.” -Jeremiah 7:18

“From ancient Babylon came the cult of the virgin mother-goddess, who was worshiped as the highest of gods” -see S. H. Langdon, Semitic Mythology, 1931 edition.

This too was adopted into the church, and her name was changed to the “Virgin Mary.”

 

[Catdan]

Sunday Worship: Rooted in Paganism

Now, here are the quotes I promised you in regards to the observance of Sunday, and how its observance is rooted in Paganism as well:

“Two dominant elements brought into Christianity from paganism by Rome were Sun worship symbols and the religious practices of ancient Babylon] “The solar theology of the Chaldaeans [Babylonians], had decisive effect . . . [upon the] final form reached by the religion of the pagan Semites, and following them, by that of the Romans when [the Roman emperor] Aurelian, the conqueror of Palmyra, had raised ‘Sol Invictus’ [the invincible sun-god] to the rank of supreme divinity in the Empire”–The Cambridge Ancient History, vol. 11, pp. 643, 646-647. From Palmyra he transferred to the new sanctuary the images of Helios [the sun-god] and Bel, the malaise patron god of Babylon–see Cumont, The Oriental Religions In Roman Paganism, 1911 edition, pp. 114-115, 124.

“In short, sun worship, symbolically speaking, lies at the very heart of the great festivals which the Christian Church celebrates today, and these relics of heathen religion have, through the medium of their sacred rites, curiously enough blended with practices and beliefs utterly antagonistic to the spirit which prompted them." -Sun Lore of All Ages, Olcott, p. 248.

“The [Catholic] Church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. She took the pagan Easter and made it the feast we celebrate during this season . . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom . . . The sun has worshipers at this hour in Persia and other lands . . . Hence the Church would seem to say, ‘Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.’ And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder [another name for BAAL], became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus”–William L. Gildea, “Paschale Gaudium,” in The Catholic World, 58, March, 1894, p. 809 [A Roman Catholic weekly].

(Notice the satanic upside down cross)

“And the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Revelation 13:2

Martin Luther
Lutheranism

“The papacy is the seat of the true and real antichrist personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 2., pg. 121 by Froom. (In response to a papal bull [official decree]): “I despise and attack it, as impious, false… It is Christ Himself who is condemned therein… I rejoice in having to bear such ills for the best of causes. Already I feel greater liberty in my heart; for at last I know that the pope is antichrist, and that his throne is that of Satan himself.” -D’Aubigné, b.6, ch. 9.

 

[Catdan]

Now what have I missed out??? These documents have info that I agree with. They are all backed up from the Bible and from History books from all our worlds history.

 

[greggy53]

Greggy, I did it starts from page 56, its quite a lengthy document backed up with bible references and other refernce material. Did you not read it???

Have you got a document that explains prophecy so as I can understand the CC interpretation of Revelation and Daniel???

The Church has quite a different interpretation of the OT prophesies, and the NT ones as well. I don’t think it is a good idea to copy and paste lengthy documents on this forum. Needless to say you found this website, and from this website you can find all the documents of the Churches beliefs that you want. When first confronted with the SDA beliefs I researched their website(s) to learn exactly what they (SDA) taught. All the information you need is at your fingertips as well as mine. I have read about the works of the early reformers written by reformers to gain their perspective. There are many excellent Catholic apologists who’s writings are available on the web. Google “Catholic apologists” and the truth will set you free.
I do not accept the prophetic interpretations of the SDA or any other Protestants and because I do not accept their authority to interpret scripture. If you want to discuss why I don’t believe they are guided by the Holy Spirit then I’m all for it.

 

[Javl]

Now what have I missed out??? These documents have info that I agree with. They are all backed up from the Bible and from History books from all our worlds history.

All you the “documents” you have listed I have seen and read before. they are typical Protestant rhetoric and all have been refuted by the CC. If you would have read all of the history, instead as the SDA do…pick and choose…you would have known that these do not hold any water. Thank you for your effort.

Also “ex-Jesuit” Alberto Rivera" was never a Jesuit. He was never a Catholic priest. He is a figment of Jack Chicks imagination. This has been proven over and over again and again. Very few Protestants believe that he exisists ( except, as I see, the SDAs ). This alone is a big ti-off.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[greggy53]

Javl here again is the pagan issue that you said no one has answered.

Constantine the first Pope??? What evidence do you have that Constantine was ever elected Pope?

 

[greggy53]

Javl here again is the pagan issue that you said no one has answered.
…the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin…

What evidence can you offer to support this…If true than I suppose David in the book of psalms was invoking pagan worship? (Psalm 4:2, 6:3, 9:14, 25:11, 121:3)

Psalm4:2 “When I called upon him, the God of my justice heard me: when I was in distress, thou hast enlarged me. Have mercy on me: and hear my prayer.”…

So you are telling us that “Lord have mercy” is pagan?? Is it because it’s expressed in Greek? The Greeks were pagan, but their written language was the language of scholars in the ancient world. Matthew wrote his Gospel in Greek. Does that make him a pagan too.?

When the SDA’s who post here fail to give any rational explanation for views like these it becomes very hard for the rest of us to take you seriously. When you can’t give reasoned responses you must understand why we then make light of SDA teaching.

 

[Javl]

CATDAN:

A less well know but related fallacy is “similis hoc ergo propter hoc”, “similar to, hence by”. Sometimes similar pagan traditions have more recent origins than the Christian event. For example: the Jehovahs Witnesses harp on the fact that December 25th is the Christianization of a Roman feast, “Dies Natalis Solis Invictus” ( Nativity of the Invincible Sun ). That pagan feast was instituted by Aurelian in 274a.d. It is a well know fact, and backed up by history that the Christians celebrated Jesus’ birth on that date long before Aurelian made it an official Roman Holiday

Also, the Catholic Church sometimes uses pagan metaphors to teach pagans the Gospel in ways that they can understand ( as in the early Church ). Sometimes the CC uses metaphors that pagans use for very different purposes, and some times the CC uses maetaphors that pagans later adopted. And many times the CC may use metaphors that had no pagan origins but that someone later claimed as pagan.

The CC stands on the solid ground of the historical evidence of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection, and on the continuous teaching of the core doctrines of 2000 years. It does not rely or stand on whether some pagan once used a similar metaphore. Everything that the CC does is for the greater Glory of God.

As an added note: the number of Jews coming to faith in Jesus, accepting Him as the messiah, is probably the largest since Apostolic times. All keep the Sabbath on Sunday, not because they are forced to, but because they understand why and do so for HIM.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Greggy,

Great post … but I would make only one correctin…

The Church has quite a different interpretation of the OT prophesies, and the NT ones as well. I don’t think it is a good idea to copy and paste lengthy documents on this forum. twice! Needless to say you found this website, and from this website you can find all the documents of the Churches beliefs that you want. When first confronted with the SDA beliefs I researched their website(s) to learn exactly what they (SDA) taught. All the information you need is at your fingertips as well as mine. I have read about the works of the early reformers written by reformers to gain their perspective. There are many excellent Catholic apologists who’s writings are available on the web. Google “Catholic apologists” and the truth will set you free.

it is just hard to imagine that anyone would do this a second time - and produce no more personal informaitn on what they believe then they did the first time. Truly, this is just nonsense and a waste of time and space.
I do not accept the prophetic interpretations of the SDA or any other Protestants and because I do not accept their authority to interpret scripture. If you want to discuss why I don’t believe they are guided by the Holy Spirit then I’m all for it.

God bless

 

[Catdan]

All keep the Sabbath on Sunday, not because they are forced to, but because they understand why and do so for HIM.

where does Jesus say to do this for Him. No where in the bible at all may I suggest.
At the end of the day forget the info I have provided we all love The same God and that’s I sure that what He really cares about. Your right I can’t prove anything I just happen to trust in God and live in hope of his soon coming. We all have access to the Holy Spirit not just a church because the church are his people. That’s you and me.

 

[Javl]

where does Jesus say to do this for Him. No where in the bible at all may I suggest.
At the end of the day forget the info I have provided we all love The same God and that’s I sure that what He really cares about. Your right I can’t prove anything I just happen to trust in God and live in hope of his soon coming. We all have access to the Holy Spirit not just a church because the church are his people. That’s you and me.

Jesus did not say to do it for Him. Also because not everything is in the Bible doesn’t mean it isn’t so. And I agree. We all love the One True God, and trust in Him. We will all learn when the time comes. And as you say

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem