Sex tourism thriving in Bible Belt

[vern_humphrey]

LCMS_No_More:

Not interested. I don’t walk down streets in Vegas anyway, well not where those free papers are, anyway (I have family there). Second, Nevada is known for its lack of state laws prohibiting prostitution, so I was referring to Nevada as a whole where it is not unlawful (illegal is a sick bird).

Nope, just a part of the larger Confederacy, I mean the South.

In other words, you don’t like the South, don’t like the people who live there, and are delighted to see anything negative about them.

 

[rlg94086]

I see. So your grasp of the English language is as informed as your views of Southerners?

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2 : MALICE, SPITE
3 a : an act showing contempt or defiance b : DETRIMENT, DISADVANTAGE <I know of no government which stands to its obligations, even in its own despite, more solidly – Sir Winston Churchill>

I apologize for assuming your political leanings…I’m basing it on your previous posts in other threads, where you deride conservatives.

Just in case…

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LCMS_No_More:

Despite? Why would I be filled with although (which is what despite means)?

Further, how do you know what my politics are? Assume much? Isn’t that a violation of the posting guidelines? I think it is: “It is never acceptable to assume or say you know what another person thinks or needs.”

I just find it ironic that in the deeply moral, Southern Baptist South that something like this will be going on. Unsurprising, too. Has nothing to do with politics.

 

[Digitonomy]

Fitz:

I really am sick of the liberal media trying to make out the Bible belt, the conservative Christian right as sickos.

I am disgusted by the sick article- all of it. It could happen anywhere, and I doubt that those involved are Christian!

Methinks you’re a bit oversensitive, at least in this case. I think the writers and editors consider it very surprising that this would be happening in a more conservative part of the country - especially that Atlanta would rank #1, if we can believe the woman quoted in the article. If it had happened in LA or Vegas or NY, they might not have even written the article. Not because they’re protective of their liberal strongholds, but because this sort of thing would be expected there - it wouldn’t really be news. Now had Minneapolis been number 1, I would expect the same kind of scrutiny as Atlanta, regardless of Minnesota’s liberal credentials. But even then a foreign reporter (if that’s the case for Reuters here) may not appreciate the staid image of Minnesota in this country.
vern humphrey:

Are you defending the premise of the article, that Atlanta is typical of the “Bible Belt?”

That’s not the premise of the article. Anyway, you should be more forgiving of the article’s author, who may be your female alter ego: Verna Gates.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

rlg94086:

I see. So your grasp of the English language is as informed as your views of Southerners?

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Pronunciation: di-'spIt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French *despit, *from Latin *despectus, *from despicere
1 : the feeling or attitude of despising : CONTEMPT
2 : MALICE, SPITE
3 a : an act showing contempt or defiance b : DETRIMENT, DISADVANTAGE <I know of no government which stands to its obligations, even in its own despite, more solidly – Sir Winston Churchill>

I apologize for assuming your political leanings…I’m basing it on your previous posts in other threads, where you deride conservatives.

Just in case…

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Pronunciation: di-'rId, dE-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·rid·ed; de·rid·ing
Etymology: Latin *deridEre, *from *de- + ridEre *to laugh
1 : to laugh at contemptuously
2 : to subject to usually bitter or contemptuous ridicule

Making it about me, are we? I understand.

 

[rlg94086]

LCMS_No_More:

Making it about me, are we? I understand.

Making what about you? Your comments? Yes. I’m glad you understand.

 

[Geldain]

LCMS_No_More:

I just find it ironic that in the deeply moral, Southern Baptist South that something like this will be going on. Unsurprising, too. Has nothing to do with politics.

Reads to me like you have little real knowledge of the south because you’re writing, from where I sit about a stereotype. Not reality.

Atlanta is not a conservative stronghold. It’s the opposite, from where I sit.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

rlg94086:

Making what about you? Your comments? Yes. I’m glad you understand.

Um…this was said:

rlg94086:

I see. So your grasp of the English language is as informed as your views of Southerners?

Geldain:

Reads to me like you have little real knowledge of the south because you’re writing, from where I sit about a stereotype. Not reality.

vern humphrey:

In other words, you don’t like the South, don’t like the people who live there, and are delighted to see anything negative about them.

That’s not about my comments, that’s about me.

And no, I am not particularly fond of the South. Why? Because it is one of the most backwards parts of the country that, in my opinion, is the most hypocritical. Most of the Confederate states receive more in Federal services and funding than they pay in taxes. With the exception of Texas (which is VERY red…yet they are the exception…most strange…almost Twilight Zone-ish), almost all of the blue states, pay out more in Federal taxes than they receive back in services and funding. They say people should “stand up by their own bootstraps,” yet they’re the ones who are leeching off other parts of the country. No, I don’t like the South because of the way things have been working…they’re mooching off the rest of the country.

I absolutely expect many of you to say, “PROVE IT! PROVE IT!” This was a major part of the debate after the 2004 election. It’s well-established, so you try to refute it.

That’s all I have to say on the matter.

 

[vern_humphrey]

LCMS_No_More:

And no, I am not particularly fond of the South. Why? Because it is one of the most backwards parts of the country that, in my opinion, is the most hypocritical.

Sounds like you’re speaking from prejudice and bigotry.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

vern humphrey:

Sounds like you’re speaking from prejudice and bigotry.

Nope, I gave my reasons. Thanks for taking what I said out of context though.

 

[rlg94086]

That’s the first time I’ve heard you mention that your problem with the South had something to do with taxes. Your previous posts had to do with Southern Republican politicians whom you claim would not vote for the Civil Rights act today; and the lack of morality of people in the Bible belt.

This is way off of the subject of the thread, but…In regards to the tax issue, I’m sure you will agree with me that no Federal funds should go out to any state unless it’s for interstate infrastructure or national military. Anything else (education, welfare, etc.) should be from state taxes.

LCMS_No_More:

And no, I am not particularly fond of the South. Why? Because it is one of the most backwards parts of the country that, in my opinion, is the most hypocritical. Most of the Confederate states receive more in Federal services and funding than they pay in taxes. With the exception of Texas (which is VERY red…yet they are the exception…most strange…almost Twilight Zone-ish), almost all of the blue states, pay out more in Federal taxes than they receive back in services and funding. They say people should “stand up by their own bootstraps,” yet they’re the ones who are leeching off other parts of the country. No, I don’t like the South because of the way things have been working…they’re mooching off the rest of the country.

I absolutely expect many of you to say, “PROVE IT! PROVE IT!” This was a major part of the debate after the 2004 election. It’s well-established, so you try to refute it.

That’s all I have to say on the matter.

 

[Geldain]

LCMS_No_More:

And no, I am not particularly fond of the South. Why? Because it is one of the most backwards parts of the country

From where I sit, this statement proves you have no real experience or knowledge of the south. Because it’s not a backwards part of the county.

that, in my opinion, is the most hypocritical.

This should be interesting.

Most of the Confederate states receive more in Federal services and funding than they pay in taxes.

I notice you have no tax tables to share with us to validate this assertion.

With the exception of Texas (which is VERY red…yet they are the exception…most strange…almost Twilight Zone-ish), almost all of the blue states, pay out more in Federal taxes than they receive back in services and funding.

Link please?

They say people should “stand up by their own bootstraps,” yet they’re the ones who are leeching off other parts of the country. No, I don’t like the South because of the way things have been working…they’re mooching off the rest of the country.

Again, I submit you have no real 1st hand knowledge of the south.

I absolutely expect many of you to say, “PROVE IT! PROVE IT!” This was a major part of the debate after the 2004 election. It’s well-established, so you try to refute it.

This is a logical fallacy and a tactic which usually gets an F in debate class.

What debate are you referring to? The Presisential debates occured before the election in 2004.

That’s all I have to say on the matter.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. maybe next time you can give your argument some weight with some links. When you present an argument it’s your responsibility to validate it

 

[LCMS_No_More]

rlg94086:

That’s the first time I’ve heard you mention that your problem with the South had something to do with taxes. Your previous posts had to do with Southern Republican politicians whom you claim would not vote for the Civil Rights act today; and the lack of morality of people in the Bible belt.

A total mischaracterization of what I said.

rlg94086:

This is way off of the subject of the thread, but…In regards to the tax issue, I’m sure you will agree with me that no Federal funds should go out to any state unless it’s for interstate infrastructure or national military. Anything else (education, welfare, etc.) should be from state taxes.

I disagree with you. I don’t worship at the altar of libertarianism… I believe that, as a society, we are all responsible for each other. In our Democratic Republic, the government isn’t some “thing out there,” it is an agent that acts on behalf of all the people (remember the saying, “of, by and for the people”).

But above all, do you know the social teaching of the Catholic Church ? It’s not the individualistic capitalism apparently espoused by so many here. Here’s one of the most important statements:

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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for “there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.” Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
[/quote]

 

[Geldain]

vern humphrey:

Sounds like you’re speaking from prejudice and bigotry.

I agree!

 

[rlg94086]

aimee:

It is sick…I guess the headline grabs attention…but it happens in many cities…this was in the article:

The FBI has identified 14 U.S. cities as centers for the sexual exploitation of children. In addition to Atlanta, they are Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Minneapolis, New York, San Diego, San Francisco, St. Louis, Tampa, and Washington, D.C

To bring this thread back to the article at hand…let’s review those 14 cities again, and take a look at wheter they are conservative or part of the bible belt:

Atlanta - Not sure how conservative the city is (as opposed to the state)…ditto on the religious practices of it’s denizens.
Chicago - uh, nope.
Dallas - sure.
Detroit -
Las Vegas - I don’t think so.
Los Angeles - Nah. The angels left along.
Miami - doubtful.
Minneapolis - definitely not.
New York - just the opposite.
San Diego - conservative, yes. Bible belt…maybe.
San Francisco -
St. Louis - no idea…someone else will have to answer that one.
Tampa - Not sure.
Washington D.C. -

So, all-in-all, it looks like the author picked on Atlanta to make the Bible Belt look bad or because it was more shocking to them. No one would be surprised to hear this was happening in L.A. or SFO.

 

[rlg94086]

LCMS_No_More:

I disagree with you. I don’t worship at the altar of libertarianism… I believe that, as a society, we are all responsible for each other. In our Democratic Republic, the government isn’t some “thing out there,” it is an agent that acts on behalf of all the people (remember the saying, “of, by and for the people”).

But above all, do you know the social teaching of the Catholic Church ? It’s not the individualistic capitalism apparently espoused by so many here. Here’s one of the most important statements:

The first paragraph tells me then, that you shouldn’t have a problem with the South receiving more than they give.

The second paragraph is a non sequitor. Shifting taxes and social welfare from the Fed to the State has absolutely nothing to do with Catholic social teaching. Does the Church say federal government has more responsibility then a state government? Of course not, so your point is moot.

 

[gilliam]

rlg94086:

Atlanta - Not sure how conservative the city is (as opposed to the state)…ditto on the religious practices of it’s denizens.

Presidential politics: Atlanta is in Fulton County, which voted Democratic in the last two presidential elections. According to unofficial vote totals for 2004, Bush received 134,274 votes and John Kerry received 198,820 votes.

epodunk.com/cgi-bin/politicalInfo.php?locIndex=7786

St. Louis - no idea…someone else will have to answer that one.
Tampa - Not sure.

Presidential politics: According to unofficial vote totals for 2004, Bush received 244,606 votes and John Kerry received 213,413 votes.

In the November 2000 election, the outcome in Hillsborough County was quite close. Countywide, 180,760 people voted for Bush and 169,557 voted for Gore. Nader received 7,490 votes.

 

[vern_humphrey]

rlg94086:

That’s the first time I’ve heard you mention that your problem with the South had something to do with taxes. Your previous posts had to do with Southern Republican politicians whom you claim would not vote for the Civil Rights act today; and the lack of morality of people in the Bible belt.

This is way off of the subject of the thread, but…In regards to the tax issue, I’m sure you will agree with me that no Federal funds should go out to any state unless it’s for interstate infrastructure or national military. Anything else (education, welfare, etc.) should be from state taxes.

I was rather intrigued by that emphasis on taxes.

Because if you take the famous Red and Blue map, and focus on Arkansas, you will see this Red state has islands of Blue.

And if you look at where we recieve huge amounts of taxpayer money, it’s in the Blue counties! Those are the poorest counties, with the highest number of welfare recipients, lowest productivity, highest drug abuse and so on.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

vern humphrey:

Sounds like you’re speaking from prejudice and bigotry.

How ironic that a southerner would complain about being a victim of prejudice and bigotry.

 

[gilliam]

LCMS_No_More:

How ironic that a southerner would complain about being a victim of prejudice and bigotry.

How rude

 

[vern_humphrey]

gilliam:

How rude

Let us remember that it is a tenent of faith in some quarters that the ruder and more insulting one is, the better those ignorant Red Staters will like one. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

But I think you will agree with me that if I needed to prove my point that his attitude is rooted in prejudice and bigotry, he just accomplished that for me – and much more succinctly than I could ever do it.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif