Sex tourism thriving in Bible Belt

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Ani Ibi:
You have justified the behaviour for which you are “apologizing.” That justification negates your apology.
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:rolleyes:

Can’t please everyone, I suppose.
 
Ani Ibi:
That’s not going to happen. Please just be more specific in your references.
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Of course not!
OK. But I don’t see how qualifying your attack so that it is partially apologized for and partially not, is very helpful to your case.
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As you say.
But why does it have to be about the South at all? Is there no ignorance, bigotry, and class war in the North? Why have you made it either totally or partially about the South?
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Because the story is about something that’s happening…in the South?
You have not demonstrated that it is the truth. You have in fact demonstrated that it is of questionable logic, accuracy, and courtesy.
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In your opinion.
You are looking to make it about conservatives rather than about what you actually said. You are only digging yourself in deeper. First it was about all the South, then about only part of the South; now it is about conservatives.
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Not so! I said that I’m not surprised that something like this is going on in the South. That started this whole ganging up on the Californian because he’s ignorant and doesn’t know anything about the South.

Well, this ignorant Californian has visited parts of the South and has seen what goes on. He’s unimpressed by the people he met. If I overgeneralize based on what I’ve seen, I apologize for that. I can only go based on what I’ve seen and what I know.

But let’s be clear about something. I’ve seen personal attacks on groups of people who are “liberal” and nothing is said about it…yet a person makes a cutsie comment about a part of the country that is conservative and it’s pile on time. I call that a double standard.
Are you suggesting that for you sweeping, unsubstantiated generalizations about people or groups of people is fair comment?
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Not at all. It’s not for me and other moderates/center-left folk and it’s definitely not for “conservatives.”

As I said, what’s good for the goose…
 
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Fitz:
I also have lived in many areas of our great nation, but I am not an anuthority. So you have no right to be judgemental based on any number of years living there. Were you trying to evangelize when you lived there? There are too many variables for me to take your word for this nor would it be Catholic to gossip to such a degree.
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Are you just deliberately ignoring my qualifying statements? I wasn’t talking about everybody in the South - I was talking about my experience over a long period of time. Summing it up, which by definition contains some generalizations. Say you went on a vacation and you didn’t have a good time. Most of the people were rude and it ruined your fun. Later, when friends would ask how your trip was, you’d probably say “I didn’t care for it. Many of the people are rude.” and that would not mean you were reflecting on the entire population of wherever you went.

This thread started because of the headline about the South. People made comments about the South and other people felt they were being picked on. Bring in a story about some other geographical area and we can talk about them too. If you don’t like the tone of the story, tell the person who wrote it.

It is not my (or anyone else’s fault) that you don’t like people relating their bad experiences in the South. I was there a long time, I had a lot of bad experiences. It’s a fact - whether you like it or not.
 
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koda:
I’m from the South. I lived in Nashville, TN until I was 33. From my experience I can say there is a large population segment whose members are self-righteous hypocrites. They are close minded and seem to prefer ignorance. And before anybody goes jumping to the defense of these convervatives, you might want to note that many or them are deeply anti-Catholic, so of which believe all the about the pope being the anti-christ. When I was growing up racism was a fact of life, something you saw everyday. For the above reasons I am very happy I left and wouldn’t live there again for all the tea in China.Yes, this is generalized somewhat, but that is about all you can do with over 3 decades of life experience. There are many good people there to be sure, and I hear things have changed a great deal in the 13-14 years I’ve been gone. I’m going back next month for a visit and am thinking of wearing my Catholic tee-shirt. That should elicit some comments (I converted at age 30, my family is Baptist and Pentecostal).
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Ah, and are they all lazy, shiftless, but with a great sense of rythm?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

Lumping people together and spewing negatives about them tells us less about those being condemned than it does about the one doing the condemning.
 
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koda:
Are you just blind to my comments about my own generalization? My explanation? You understand English, right? 😛
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Uh oh…I feel a flaming coming on. Better get out the asbestos suit! 😉
 
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koda:
Are you just blind to my comments about my own generalization? My explanation? You understand English, right? 😛
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I understand very well. Which is how I can say you have told us less about the people of whom you disapprove than about yourself.
 
vern humphrey:
I understand very well. Which is how I can say you have told us less about the people of whom you disapprove than about yourself.
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AMEN!!!
 
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koda:
Are you just deliberately ignoring my qualifying statements? I wasn’t talking about everybody in the South - I was talking about my experience over a long period of time. Summing it up, which by definition contains some generalizations. Say you went on a vacation and you didn’t have a good time. Most of the people were rude and it ruined your fun. Later, when friends would ask how your trip was, you’d probably say “I didn’t care for it. Many of the people are rude.” and that would not mean you were reflecting on the entire population of wherever you went.

This thread started because of the headline about the South. People made comments about the South and other people felt they were being picked on. Bring in a story about some other geographical area and we can talk about them too. If you don’t like the tone of the story, tell the person who wrote it.

It is not my (or anyone else’s fault) that you don’t like people relating their bad experiences in the South. I was there a long time, I had a lot of bad experiences. It’s a fact - whether you like it or not.
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and I’m sure you’re not responsible at all for your bad experiences :whistle:
 
This thread has gone so far off track I had go back to the original post to make sure I posted what I thought I posted. I’m surprised the mods have let it go this far.

I can’t tell whether this is an argument between the southerners and the northerner’s, the liberals and conservatives, oh yeah and I think I read something about communists. Can someone please bring this back on track?
 
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koda:
Say you went on a vacation and you didn’t have a good time. Most of the people were rude and it ruined your fun. Later, when friends would ask how your trip was, you’d probably say “I didn’t care for it. Many of the people are rude.”
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Actually, I was on a vacation like this – one member of the group loudly expressed his opinion that all the people were rude.

The other people were too polite to express their opinion of him – but when he started drinking, people would leave the lounge.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Of course not!

But let’s be clear about something. I’ve seen personal attacks on groups of people who are “liberal” and nothing is said about it…yet a person makes a cutsie comment about a part of the country that is conservative and it’s pile on time. I call that a double standard.

Not at all. It’s not for me and other moderates/center-left folk and it’s definitely not for “conservatives.”

As I said, what’s good for the goose…
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Let’s be clear about something else. This is a direct violation of the forum rule against publicly discussing moderator action. Since almost all moderator action is done privately, how would you know is something was said about an offensive post or not? The fact that a post is still on the boards merely indicates that the moderator did not think it bad enough to warrant removal. It does not indicate that no action was taken against the offending poster. You’re on very thin ice with comments such as this.
 
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geezerbob:
Let’s be clear about something else. This is a direct violation of the forum rule against publicly discussing moderator action. Since almost all moderator action is done privately, how would you know is something was said about an offensive post or not? The fact that a post is still on the boards merely indicates that the moderator did not think it bad enough to warrant removal. It does not indicate that no action was taken against the offending poster. You’re on very thin ice with comments such as this.
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Actually, Bob, I’ve seen several posts by moderators in threads reminding everyone to mind their manners - so sometimes it is obvious if they’ve done something or not. Also, a good way to tell if there was no private chastisement is whether or not the offender repeats the offense or feels the need to apologize.
 
vern humphrey:
Actually, I was on a vacation like this – one member of the group loudly expressed his opinion that all the people were rude.

The other people were too polite to express their opinion of him – but when he started drinking, people would leave the lounge.
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Where were you? 😛

Have you also been on a vacation where you had a great time and you remember so many instances where the people were great? Then to tell it to a friend and it sounds so good they go there too and have a terrible time? This has happened to me.
 
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geezerbob:
Let’s be clear about something else. This is a direct violation of the forum rule against publicly discussing moderator action. Since almost all moderator action is done privately, how would you know is something was said about an offensive post or not? The fact that a post is still on the boards merely indicates that the moderator did not think it bad enough to warrant removal. It does not indicate that no action was taken against the offending poster. You’re on very thin ice with comments such as this.
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I’m not talking about moderator action. I’m talking about cases where people who have an unpopular opinion or make an unpolitic statement get flamed mercilessly by other posters, but people who make similar kinds of statements but that are in line with the predominant political views of the board are left alone to do as they please.

See the difference?
 
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GloriaPatri4:
This thread has gone so far off track I had go back to the original post to make sure I posted what I thought I posted. I’m surprised the mods have let it go this far.

I can’t tell whether this is an argument between the southerners and the northerner’s, the liberals and conservatives, oh yeah and I think I read something about communists. Can someone please bring this back on track?
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This Northerner is not slamming the South. I am in fact sticking up for it. However, my point about the original article is that it needlesssly points out that Sex tourism is thriving in the Bible Belt, as if it were actually Christians doing the crime. I get sick of that kind of reporting. I think there is far to many instances when the MSM does this. The original article is disgusting enough, but to add the insult to the religious right is just not appropriate- especially if you go to the article that states that many Northern cities and Western ones are also involved.
 
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koda:
Where were you?

Have you also been on a vacation where you had a great time and you remember so many instances where the people were great? Then to tell it to a friend and it sounds so good they go there too and have a terrible time? This has happened to me.
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I always have a great time on vacation. I always meet great people.

But one time there was a man in the group who considered everyone else rude – they were all rude but him, and the drumker he got, the ruder they seemed.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
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LCMS_No_More:
I’m not talking about moderator action. I’m talking about cases where people who have an unpopular opinion or make an unpolitic statement get flamed mercilessly by other posters, but people who make similar kinds of statements but that are in line with the predominant political views of the board are left alone to do as they please.

See the difference?
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You must feel alone in your opinions. You are not. However, this is not a pollitical argument. I see it differently. I apologize if you feel picked on being a liberal, if that is what you are getting at. I think that being liberal in caring about others and in some areas of social thinking is good. However, liberal politics as a whole make me angry.

If your unpopular opinion is against Catholic teaching you won’t stand a chance on this forum. Most people here adhere to the catechism. When the catechism gets involved, then our political allegiance falls by the wayside. When you go on unpolitical threads and you will see some of us that never agree on politics are totally in allignment with each other on matters of greater importance.

No one should be insulting to anyone. Sarcasm is allowed until it is vicious. When you feel that the moderators are missing something, then you need to point it out to them. They have the final word and they are very good.
 
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Fitz:
You must feel alone in your opinions. You are not. However, this is not a pollitical argument. I see it differently. I apologize if you feel picked on being a liberal, if that is what you are getting at. I think that being liberal in caring about others and in some areas of social thinking is good. However, liberal politics as a whole make me angry.

If your unpopular opinion is against Catholic teaching you won’t stand a chance on this forum. Most people here adhere to the catechism. When the catechism gets involved, then our political allegiance falls by the wayside. When you go on unpolitical threads and you will see some of us that never agree on politics are totally in allignment with each other on matters of greater importance.

No one should be insulting to anyone. Sarcasm is allowed until it is vicious. When you feel that the moderators are missing something, then you need to point it out to them. They have the final word and they are very good.
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However it is perfectly acceptable to say:
How ironic that a southerner would complain about being a victim of prejudice and bigotry
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All southerners are bigots, you know. Every one of them. And if one of them comments that he is being unfairly characterized , then that’s ironic – because all southerners are bigots.
 
General Warning for Everyone

If the personal attacks and the public corrections don’t stop, accounts will be suspended. Take it to PM, but remember to be charitable.

Now, please get back to the topic of the original post.
 
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