Sexless marriage losing hope

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It doesn’t mean that Old Testament just gets thrown out of the window.

God felt that adultery was bad enough to die over.

I’d wager that it fits in with annulments that have been granted with the reason that the spouse never intended to follow their vows.
 
Israel committed lots of things that they deserved death for. Read the first two chapters of Hosea. God separated from Israel because of their sins. He took them back, and showed us a prophet who was instructed to do as He does with Israel.

If the innocent spouse is truly innocent, they have a right to sever conjugal relations. If they have not been a cause for the adultery, or have not commited adultery themselves, they are justified to remain separate with the bond remaining.

What you are professing might even be considered an impediment to the Sacrament by some tribunals.
 
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” (Matthew 19:3–9)

Seems sexual immorality is the key here.
 
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Maybe you should consider a separation, working together with your pastor.
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No. Firstly that would harm the children and secondly if we separate we will never return. Plus I couldn’t afford a second rent on top of my mortgage and wouldn’t want to be apart from the children.
 
That word Is “porneia” which is distinct from adultery.

Matthew specifically uses itin distinction from adultery.

He does so a few chapters later again:
Chapter 15
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery (moicheia), fornication (porneia), theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”
 
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Ammi:
Maybe you should consider a separation, working together with your pastor.
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No. Firstly that would harm the children and secondly if we separate we will never return. Plus I couldn’t afford a second rent on top of my mortgage and wouldn’t want to be apart from the children.
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Ok, I understand. I’m sorry you are facing this. I have dealt with it, and was not so strong. I wish I would have sought a separation when I had the chance. I sincerely hope you reconcile.
 
Porneia means illicit which is wear we get pornography from. It’s not fornication, it is an illicit marriage. A married person cannot fornicate they can only commit adultery because they are married so any fornication must have happened before marriage.

Matthew 19:9 Now I say this to you: anyone who divorces his wife – I am not speaking of an illicit marriage – and marries another, is guilty of adultery.’
 
I agree. Why would Matthew apply the two terms distinctly in chapter 15, if porneia included moicheia?
 
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Yes why would Jesus say you can’t divorce but there is a great loophole, have sex with someone else and you are free. Sounds more like something Satan would say.
 
I’m pretty sure that he means that if your spouse has sex with someone else, not you, that you may divorce your spouse.

Porn, illicit, sexual immorality…I think God would find sex with a third party as grounds for divorce if He used to instruct stoning them to death.
 
If that was true and I wanted to divorce my wife I could have sex with a another woman, tell my wife, she divorces me and I’m free to find a new wife.

If my wife committed adultery it would break my heart but I wouldn’t divorce her.
 
It’s kind of like saying if a man hits his wife she can divorce him and the wife slaps him every day hoping to get that reaction from him so she can divorce, it is absurd.

I seem to remember promising my wife and God “till death parts us”.
 
Also, if the exception in Matthew truly means adultery is grounds for divorce, then that would be very significant for Mark to exclude!

The pharisees asked Jesus if it was lawful to divorce. Why would Mark, Luke, and Paul not recognize what Protestants are claiming Matthew asserts?
 
Weren’t not talking about fooling Church leaders here, we are talking about fooling God. You can’t fool God.

That’s great that you could still live with your wife after sex with another. To me, that would be death doing us part.

Still, there isn’t any way to stumble on words here. Matthews verse is pretty clear; sexual immorality, however it’s done, seems to be grounds for divorce. It doesn’t mean that you HAVE to, just that you may.

To me, adultery is when your heart has made up its mind to have sex with another. I’m not talking about flirting or second looks, but the intent to have sex with another person.
 
The worst thing my wife could ever do (worse than adultery) would be abortion although I know she never would. I may after that not want to be around her anymore but still wouldn’t divorce. Neither of us could remarry anyway.

As for her committing adultery (I don’t think she ever will), I may not want to have sex with her again but wouldn’t kick her out and divorce her.
 
Guess Matthew was a rebel or the others just interpreted things differently.

I do know that Jesus never expected anyone to have to dig into details as much as everyone here is doing. If you want to stick with your adulterous spouse, that’s great. I don’t see an issue so long as you can get past it.

I do know of annulments given out over this, so it’s most definitely a thing.
 
Could you honestly get past it? Could you trust her again? If you most definitely could, then you should stay with her. If you can’t, like me, then it’s unfair to make them live like that.

I see true adultery as if the spouse never meant their vows at the ceremony, thus an invalid marriage. I gave myself completely over at the ceremony. I’d die before I could go have sex with another.

Btw-Adultery doesn’t just happen by accident. To get to that point, your heart has left the marriage.
 
So you claim to know better than they? Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a scandal.
 
I understand what you are saying, I may not want to touch her again but the children need both of us, she is a good mother so I couldn’t do that to the children. I probably wouldn’t trust her again an maybe I would separate when the children had gone to university? I wouldn’t leave my children because of it. Who knows how I would feel really.
 
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