Thank you… I could personally care less about being a priest. I do care about being respected as an individual and about who I am, not who the Church or Pope Francis thinks an idealized version of a woman should be. I’ve spent decades being told by Catholic men (and their female allies) that there are certain things that women cannot do in the Church like getting a graduate degree and I’d feel much better if I was a stay at home mommy instead.
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Exactly. As far as I can tell it’s more about church bashing than about women. They have to keep up the image of the Church being deaf to women, even if it means cutting off her ears. :whacky:
It is time for a definition of terms. If by “sexism” you mean a belief that there is a fundamental difference in the genders, put me down with St. John Paul as being sexists, as well as God who specifically made us male an female. The definition in the research was:
This is so subjective as to be ridiculously unscientific.
That makes sense.
This is an assumption the “the Church” does, and an image that maybe participants in the invitation could have conveyed – given a chance, i.e. if they had known the invitation even existed. To me it’s an example of “leaders” of women, seeing to it that the “masses” of women don’t get direct (name removed by moderator)ut – even if we suspect that (name removed by moderator)ut is not being taken as seriously as it should by those asking. It’s up to the responders to do their best to convey it – not for “leaders” to silence them because the invitation didn’t apparently meet certain “criteria.”
I can guarantee that there is no one, man, woman or in between, that wants to hear someone tell them what it is they want. No, the Church does not want these things for women and is not evil in the way that you are assuming her to be. I do no know the acronym STEM, but the only job the Church does not want women to want is that which involves ordination.
It’s always hard to reverse engineer whatever we see on video etc. and know what’s really going on behind the scenes. And yeah at least we have some idea what he’s trying to say, whether we like it or not.
Wasn’t there actually a huge Catholic survey on “the family” done recently? Maybe it was only in the US? It seems like it was world-wide, but for some reason our family didn’t personally take it.
Look… I had high hopes that Pope Francis would at least treat women as adults rather than condescending to us like we were little children. So I’ve been disappointed with his rhetoric toward women more than anyone else since he thought it necessary to be demeaning toward the Italian female reporter in June rather than treating her like a professional and thought it was hilarious to make sexist jokes about housekeepers rather than answering her question about women in the Church. I’m not putting words and thoughts in anyone’s head; I’m basing my opinions on the Pope’s own words.
No one’s opinion about what another thinks is relevant, including your and including mine. The chance for error when assigning motives is too great. If what one has to say about women is grounded in a false assignment of motives and ill intent, then it is errant from the start.
God uses broken people to do His work all the time. Even popes. I’m sorry this one isn’t living up to your expectations; overall I think he was very needed for the Church in general. As far as women’s issues within the Church, I’m not sure if you are more upset because you don’t like the way Francis thinks, or if there are specific issues that you do not see being addressed. For example if you’re talking about women ordination, I don’t think Francis could pull that one off even if he wanted to, because he may be in charge but he still has plenty of opposition all around him.
:sad_yes:No one’s opinion about what another thinks is relevant, including your and including mine. The chance for error when assigning motives is too great. If what one has to say about women is grounded in a false assignment of motives and ill intent, then it is errant from the start.
No, we do not need to stereotype women as overly-sensitive and jumping to take offense at the slightest provocation.
Ironic, no?
Yeah, I’d say that’s fair, compared to how it hit me. A little ‘wine’ with our cheeze maybe?
If Pope Francis was a corporate CEO, he would have been sent to sensitivity training and probably fired by now because of his rhetoric. So no, I don’t think that I am being overly sensitive.No one’s opinion about what another thinks is relevant, including your and including mine. The chance for error when assigning motives is too great. If what one has to say about women is grounded in a false assignment of motives and ill intent, then it is errant from the start.
No, we do not need to stereotype women as overly-sensitive and jumping to take offense at the slightest provocation.
Ironic, no?
I’d like the Catholic Church to see and honor me and other women as individuals with gifts that may or may not adhere to certain “stereotypes” rather than walking wombs. The Church certain doesn’t focus entirely on the man’s role in the baby making process and make his entire identity about impregnating women so I think that the same consideration should be made for women. We have identities outside motherhood that are important. And I’d like Pope Francis to view professional women as professionals, not mommies, and to not be dismissive of their intellect and experience. As someone who has been dismissed in my life because I am petite woman who looks young (I get the sweetie treatment alot), I really don’t appreciate the feeling.God uses broken people to do His work all the time. Even popes. I’m sorry this one isn’t living up to your expectations; overall I think he was very needed for the Church in general. As far as women’s issues within the Church, I’m not sure if you are more upset because you don’t like the way Francis thinks, or if there are specific issues that you do not see being addressed. For example if you’re talking about women ordination, I don’t think Francis could pull that one off even if he wanted to, because he may be in charge but he still has plenty of opposition all around him.
Believe it or not, it is possible for a man to open his eyes – or so I’ve heard.
In what country? I don’t know how they “do things” in other countries, with respect to women’s attitudes – except they run the full range. Some places they can’t even uncover themselves. Others they can’t drive. Maybe he’s a jerk; I don’t know. But still I don’t get why being angry about chances you don’t have to communicate, should prevent making use of those chances that are given – even if a joke at least call their bluff and then they can’t brand you as some angry person who didn’t speak up when asked. Not to say that shoe would fit, but just from their perspective.
I have complete empathy for being treated with no respect. For you, I can see being small is an issue; I have a friend both in the parish and IRL where the girls are very short and sometimes they post some pretty ironic memes about it. For me it was for completely different reasons. I understand about bureaucracies and the frustration.
No, he would not. That is your rather singular opinion. It is quite clear that you are very prejudicial on this matter. Who needs sensitivity training: the man who is kindness is taking as being condescension, or the woman who does not allow for theological opinions not her own?