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Theo520
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The article is completely true, unless you claim the CDC is lying?
This different slice of the data really brings home the risk to people suffering from other serious issues.
SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers - Only 9,210
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This different slice of the data really brings home the risk to people suffering from other serious issues.
LeafByNiggle
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We are seeing strange behavior of this virus because it is not like most respiratory viruses. This one enters the body through the respiratory system, does a lot of damage to the lungs (like many respiratory diseases), but then it settles in the circulatory system and attaches to the inside of the small blood vessels in organs with lots of finely distributed blood vessels, like the kidneys, the brain, the liver, as well as the lungs. So it is more of a circulatory virus in the kind of damage it can do.
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1cthlctrth
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You really have the leftists up against the wall. It’s humorous reading them jumping through hoops trying to explain this one away.
But it’s beyond tragic that the media has shamed some Governors into indirectly destroying the lives of so many who have lost their faith, jobs, businesses, and physical and mental health as a result of the lockdowns.
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LeafByNiggle
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It is not the leftists. It is the medical professionals that are being denigrated here, and for no good reason.
The economic impact of this virus is directly related to how poorly our nation is handling it. Covid-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, behind only heart disease and cancer. Yet other nations with more science-based leadership at the top are not doing so badly. That is tragic for us.
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Ridgerunner
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So you don’t really know how many “excess” deaths there have been.
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umamibella
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Theo can you show us the CDC data, rather than a ‘shock report’.
We are having a lockdown and its working.
No workers, no economy.
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Wampa
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This article explains it nicely:
www.politifact.com
“The underlying cause of death is the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death,” [Jeff Lancashire, acting associate director for communications at the National Center for Health Statistics] said. “In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause of death.”
The CDC did not ‘quietly adjust’ US coronavirus deaths
Over the weekend, President Donald Trump shared two posts that falsely claimed COVID-19 deaths are not as high as previo
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“The underlying cause of death is the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person’s death,” [Jeff Lancashire, acting associate director for communications at the National Center for Health Statistics] said. “In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause of death.”
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Ridgerunner
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If Biden is elected, there is the potential that it won’t just be governors. Here’s Biden:
"Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said he would do “whatever it takes” to combat the spread of coronavirus within the country — including locking down the U.S. if deemed necessary.
Now, whether he’s just saying that for political reasons is something I don’t know.
"Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said he would do “whatever it takes” to combat the spread of coronavirus within the country — including locking down the U.S. if deemed necessary.
Now, whether he’s just saying that for political reasons is something I don’t know.
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Ridgerunner
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That appears to be the opinion of one man who is the acting associate director of communications at NCHS. Doesn’t seem to even be a doctor.
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Wampa
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The data that Gateway Pundit is intentionally misrepresenting is from the National Center for Health Statistics (part of the CDC). A director of communications at the source entity is well-situated to speak to what the data actually means.
Edited to add: he’s not giving an opinion. He’s explaining the actual data, that in 92% of all death certificates that mention COVID-19, COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause of death. It’s further explained at:
What the CDC death report really says, according to Fauci
A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report is being twisted by conspiracy theorists to imply the COVID-19 death toll is not as serious as it sounds, experts say.
abcnews.go.com
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Ridgerunner
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An unvarnished opinion without foundation, particularly on a medical matter by a non-doctor, is not probative. I am not defending Gateway Pundit. I am, however, questioning CDC since even liberal publications like Atlantic and NYT have said their data is faulty on Covid.
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Dr_Meinheimer
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The problem is everyone I associate with think the Washington Post is garbage. You clearly don’t, being a liberal New Yorker.
So who gets to decide what is a legitimate news source?
So who gets to decide what is a legitimate news source?
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graciew
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To be honest, the first thought that comes to mind is that 9000 is what we are at abroad and it is already horrible.Still escalating…
But then aren’t normally nations reporting deaths about the same way?
So the comparisons though unpleasant among different nations would still remain
Or are you saying that some nations report pure and only Covid ( excluding comorbidities) ?
If anything this virus has had systems on the verge of collapsing if not collapsed as it already happened.And it isn’t over…
But then aren’t normally nations reporting deaths about the same way?
So the comparisons though unpleasant among different nations would still remain
Or are you saying that some nations report pure and only Covid ( excluding comorbidities) ?
If anything this virus has had systems on the verge of collapsing if not collapsed as it already happened.And it isn’t over…
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Ridgerunner
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I don’t know if nations are gathering data and reporting the same way. When Belgium has a fatality rate twice that of the Netherlands, I tend to doubt data are being kept the same way.
But while the deaths are tragic, among people below age 64 it’s very low. Below 55 it’s practically nonexistent. Thos are the working ages. I can see a case for protecting the elderly, but none for lockdowns.
But while the deaths are tragic, among people below age 64 it’s very low. Below 55 it’s practically nonexistent. Thos are the working ages. I can see a case for protecting the elderly, but none for lockdowns.
LeafByNiggle
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How fautly, exactly? Degree matters.
It is hard to say. In the last month both Belgium and the Netherlands have had covid deaths in the single digits per day. With such small numbers we can’t really compare one with the other.
These are subjective terms, “very low” and “practically non-existent”. Not a very good way to set national policy, which should be driven by numbers, not subjective descriptions.
The dichotomy you propose is ambiguous. Are you saying that if we properly isolate the elderly, the rest of society can proceed without wearing masks or social distancing or making any accommodations to reduce the spread of the virus? If so, that is just nonsense. Assuming you didn’t mean that, then lockdowns themselves could be vastly reduced if everyone complied with public health recommendations on wearing masks and other accommodations, short of actually shutting down businesses. In fact, if we had done that from the beginning, we would already have a much more open economy than we do now, which is hampered not only by government mandates, but by public reluctance. The best example of that is the airline industry. They are bleeding money because so many people refuse to fly, even though the industry is not shut down by government mandate. So mask up, everyone, and let’s get this over!
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LeafByNiggle
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Once again we see the constant drumbeat about how mainstream media is garbage. But it has a long reputation of not being garbage, and the organizations the are calling it garbage have no reputation at all.
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