Shooting at Muhammad cartoon contest in Texas

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It is against Islam to depict their prophet Mohammed, so any cartoon would be irreverent to them. Ms. Geller is poking her finger in the eye of Muslims. She should not be surprised if they react negatively to this. She is in the group of those today who are using various platforms to ridicule religion and various religious beliefs.
Poking her finger in the eye of Muslims you say!?!??

See this graphic image of an ISIS terrorist jamming his fingers into his victim’s eyes as he beheads him… It’s the second picture down. :mad:

catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56507
 
The reason why it is improper to describe Islamic jihad as a conversion by the sword is because conversion was never the goal. As long as Christians submitted to the authority of Allah, through submission to the caliph and his Islamic representatives, it was fiscally better for the caliphs to charge the higher tax rate to the people of the book. Ultimately though, the less devout would find it more beneficial to pay the lower rate too, say the magic formula, and presto, the caliph would need to call a new jihad to conquest more land, and more taxes thereby.

There certainly has been that parasitic aspect to Islam, and once expansion into new territory was stopped by the Western surge, the House of Islam has become very weak indeed.

Islam is an Arab religion, and Arabs are traditionally a marauding people, much like the Apaches were. The values of Islam are the values of the raid.
Of course, expansion brought Arabs into contact with very spiritually sophisticated people, and those values came to a position of influence too, but this is not the roots of Islam. The roots of Islam are Arab, the values of nomadic raiders, who thrive off of the success of their settled neighbours, namely the Christians and the Jews.
Interesting, well, the Moors occupied Spain for 700 years, I think they had some noteworthy contributions, Architecture, etc. It would be interesting to study, I’m left with the impression it was at times, a somewhat docile occupation. But I don’t want to get too wrapped up in this.

Here is a Radio Free Europe story on how the punishments are now being meted out by ISIS are indeed to instill discipline in the populace:
Heart Of Darkness: The Core Beliefs Justifying IS Brutality
When Islamic State (IS) militants threw a man to his death for being gay, the world predictably reacted with shock, outrage, and horror – and that is all part of the plan.
Like the now-commonplace execution-style beheadings, stonings, crucifixions, and immolations – the killing of the man in Mosul appeared cruel and unusual, irrational, and arbitrary.
But to IS, severe punishments are key to building a new order. The group justifies even its most extreme penalties by claiming that they are mandated by Shari’a law and are meted out not in an arbitrary fashion but as part of the group’s established system of Shari’a courts and judges.
IS said that it threw the man in Mosul from a “high place” because he had committed the crime of “the people of Lot,” a euphemism for sodomy. Under Islamic law, according to IS, this is a “Hadd” crime, a term used for a specific set of offenses deemed to be against the rights of God, and which include highway robbery, drinking alcohol, unlawful sexual intercourse, and theft.
A picture is worth a thousand words or more. But we have Islamic Law, Sharia Law, Caliphates, and this isn’t just ISIS.

Saudi Arabia, other Gulf States, Iran are run largely by this system in the Government.

As the news story posted here has been, Saudi Arabia is threatening to behead a Shia Cleric, this week.
Sheikh Nimr Baqir al-Nimr’s brother said he was found guilty of seeking “foreign meddling” in the kingdom, “disobeying” its rulers and taking up arms against the security forces.
The article may have a bit more than the story posted I believe here a few days ago. Still, a prison sentence would seem more apt. Sounds like he called for armed rebellion which sound serious.
 
Pamela Geller does not come off as someone who is afraid. She has the demeanor of someone who is very angry, angry enough to tell the truth even.
Geller replied dryly, “I’m sure the president will take to the airways to assure us that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam, but the fact of the matter is that this is the sharia. This is the blasphemy laws under the sharia and they mean to impose it.”
She called the anti-Mohammed YouTube video-maker who was arrested in the wake of the Benghazi attack on 9/11/2012, “the first political prisoner under the sharia in this country.” She added, “people better wake up to what’s going on, and start taking back their freedom — start fighting back.”
She vowed to hold similar events throughout the country. “We will not abridge our freedom of speech in order to not offend savages.”
It was a metaphoric poke in the eye of savages. It would be a poke in the eye of anyone who identifies with these savages too, I suppose.
But Mohammed has a lot to answer for too, as far as I can see. He is not God. And when freedom is no longer as important in America than the possibility of offending savages, then America does not really even exist any more anyway.
 
Interesting, well, the Moors occupied Spain for 700 years, I think they had some noteworthy contributions, Architecture, etc. It would be interesting to study, I’m left with the impression it was at times, a somewhat docile occupation. But I don’t want to get too wrapped up in this.
 
To the extent that the focus of Islamic civilization has been on ‘civilization’ rather than on ‘Islam’, there have been some very high pinnacles reached. With Arabic being the lingua franca of a trade network stretching from the Philippines to Spain, with networks to the great civilizations of India and China, and Persian and Greek contributions, as well as Byzantine influence, and Catholic influence too; there have been golden ages and there has been greatness.
To the extent that the written biography of Mohammed becomes the focus of the culture,
that civilization descends into the parasitism of a marauding, raiding culture.
It could be said, that if Mohamed wasn’t the main focus of that culture, that it could be much better, possibly even a contributor to helping humanity, rather than simply trying to ‘harness’ it. It’s debatable. It should be debatable, but who knows -it would probably be “offensive” to think such things to some. :rolleyes:
 
It could be said, that if Mohamed wasn’t the main focus of that culture, that it could be much better, possibly even a contributor to helping humanity, rather than simply trying to ‘harness’ it. It’s debatable. It should be debatable, but who knows -it would probably be “offensive” to think such things to some. :rolleyes:
It has come to the point now where Mohammed, the man or the myth, absolutely NEEDS to be the focus of debate and/or criticism. This is not about people’s comfort zones any more, because Mohammed is the focal point upon which militant Islamism rests.

Islam is an evangelizing religion. There is the claim often made, likely by any devout Muslim, that Mohammed is the perfect role model. There are discussions upon which kind of toothbrushes he used, for that settles which toothbrush that any Muslim ought to use. There is nothing to mundane where Mohammed is not to be used as the example.

At what point is it blasphemy therefore to say “balderdash”! Are we to follow the lead of a Vatican newspaper, and accept that blasphemy is whatever Muslims say blasphemy is? At what point is it too offensive, too blasphemous even, to say that the Mohammed of Islamic lore is a very poor role model to follow?

But to the extent that a Muslim believes in Mohammed as the iconic role model on which to pattern their lives, how are they to counter the militant Islamists, who pattern their new utopias precisely on the life and times of Mohammed?

Actually, how could this not be offensive to have this discussion on some level, given what has been written about Mohammed, and is generally accepted by mainstrean Islam as authentic Hadith on his biography?

Whether or not Mohammed was more man than myth is almost beside the point. People believe in Mohammed either way.

Pamela Geller is deemed offensive because she does not believe that Mohammed is a good role mode for society to pattern itself after. If Islam was not an evangelizing religion with global aims, this would not really even matter though, except maybe for the child brides et al. But 911 was a clear statement that Islam had bolder aims.

It is neither mockery, nor hatred, nor out of line to state in no uncertain terms a resounding NO! to those aims.
Pamela Geller at least is clear on where she stands on the issue. Catholics who are too uncomfortable to enter into this kind of conversation, by definition, cannot be clear.
 
VATICAN CITY (RNS) The Vatican’s semiofficial newspaper blasted a series of cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as “blasphemous” but also condemned the “mad and bloodthirsty” extremists who opened fire at a Texas exhibit of the cartoons.

religionnews.com/2015/05/06/vatican-blasts-muhammad-cartoons-pouring-gasoline-fire/
Definition of blasphemy:
: great disrespect shown to God or to something holy
: something said or done that is disrespectful to God or to something holy
So what was sacred that was blasphemed?
 
I’m not aware where one of the cartoons blasphemed God.

The Bible warns us of false prophets.
 
Definition of blasphemy:

So what was sacred that was blasphemed?
I posted a news story. I don’t think cartoons were blasphemous - I just think they were in extremely poor taste and serve no purpose whatsoever other than to take shots at Islam.
 
That’s a good response. I don’t believe generally, we should ever mock others faiths, even if they are not major. Say the people were primitive animist.

At the same time, I think it is a bit more, it is also a governing system. By their laws, they hand out criminal punishments, have their own courts.
 
Lol, it hardly fails, even if what you say is true, “we did it too” that doesn’t change the fact that Sharia Law still is enforce with some nations and others. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
 
Really…? Maybe you could provide a link for that because I did a google search and came up with nothing. 🤷
 
Cartoons are a bit light hearted vs. say, a diatribe putting the religion down.

Honestly, there are times, I believe, a little humor or irony in a cartoon can be helpful as a commentary to a situation.

Charlie Hebdo cartoons were just amazingly silly and absurd.

On the other hand, perhaps there are times when religion can be lampooned.

Was the Emperor of Japan not considered divine himself? How do we reconcile that?
 
What part of Dallas was this in?
This is so much bigger than Texas. Cartoonists are being shot at for drawing mohammed from France to Denmark to Texas and beyond. The Islamists are the ones who are enraged, while moderate Sufis dont seem to care…? 🤷

…so we are to protect the laws of Radical Islamists? Because they’re the ones who are saying nobody can draw mohammed?
 
This is so much bigger than Texas. Cartoonists are being shot at for drawing mohammed from France to Denmark to Texas and beyond. The Islamists are the ones who are enraged, while moderate Sufis dont seem to care…? 🤷

…so we are to protect the laws of Radical Islamists? Because they’re the ones who are saying nobody can draw mohammed?
I agree.

In Moore, Oklahoma, the man committed murder against the woman was inspired by ISIS, these fellows apparently were highly motivated by ISIS as well. I don’t mean to make light of it and say it is like a “franchise” but in a way, that is what some of these lone wolf types have acted like.
 
Well, she can call him whatever she chooses. But the good Cardinal is one of the oldest, and due to his age, he is not allowed to vote as a Cardinal… So I personally think she overreacted to what he did.

Do you think she should be fined or jailed for saying that about the Cardinal?

Fr. Z calls the speech a “devestating account”.
wdtprs.com/blog/2014/09/card-mccarrick-embraces-islam/
 
Geller is a New Yorker, they are known for not holding back but she has been critical of her fellow New Yorkers and of those of her religion as well.
 
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