Shooting, Explosion Reported in Paris

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7_Sorrows said:
will the vast majority of peaceful Muslims scream out against these attacks? I hope they won’t be seen celebrating…🤷
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Peaceful Muslims are not a factor either way. Islamists call the tune, and everybody else either follows or keeps their head low.
Saudi petro-dollars ensure that the Wahabbist message is the only one.
 
Of course people can feel justified in anything they want - it doesn’t make it so.

That’s why we must go to the teachings and beliefs of a religion not just focus on the actions of people.
 
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318379/Hunt-Isis-killers-Syrian-passport-body-suicide-bomber-Stade-France.html

*Terrorist as young as 15 thought to be among killers

One of the terrorists involved in last night’s attacks in Paris has been officially identified as a Parisian, according to local media reports.
The man, who was killed at the Bataclan, was identified using his fingerprints and was from the southern Parisian neighbourhood of Courcouronnes.
French reports say that the man, who was around 30 years old, was already known to French anti-terrorist authorities prior to last night’s attacks.

The French newspaper Liberation reported that one of the terrorists who carried out the attack at the Bataclan Theatre has been identified as a known French extremist.
According to French daily El Figaro, investigators have recordings of two of the terrorists at the Bataclan communicating in French.
Witnesses have told of the horror which unfolded inside the Bataclan theatre, where more than 1,000 people were watching rock band Eagles of Death Metal perform.
Some reported hearing at least two of the terrorists at the Bataclan Theatre speaking perfect French.
 
The only definitive thing here is that your reading comprehension is struggling. I said I want to live around people who look like me (white) and are sane (not white trash).

This precludes me from dealing with Muslims anymore than I absolutely have to.

“Refugees” must be sent back at once and for all! They will rot your communities from the inside and murder those around you, as we see in Paris.
 
Path_Finder said:
This is a very important point if true, it shows ISIS/Radicals likely used the refugee wave for their own purposes to carry on the attack. Wow.
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Even the Pope warned about inflitration… Terrorists and infliltation go hand in hand.
Fundamentalists of any kind undermine the very basis of society,and institutions.
To the point of paranoia. Till one lives in fear. Fear weakens us and divides.
Let us not fall into the trap,please. It is terribly painful as it is already.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I think the refugees should be pitied all-the-more after this because, despite a difficult journey marked by grievous loss and privation, it is made clear there is no place they can go where ISIS cannot reach them.
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I actually agree with you on this, but probably for very different reasons.

I see Jesus’ incarnation as saving us from the enemy. The prince of this world is the devil, and Jesus infiltrated the enemy camp. Many of these people immigrating are in the grip of evil, whether they themselves contribute to it, or are its victim. This isn’t a progressive belief to be sure. (It’s a timeless belief.) As a Christian, I believe we are called to follow Christ’s example of self-sacrificial love. In a case such as what is now occurring in the Middle East, it would mean much death. I can’t help but wonder if God is working through all the martyrdoms occurring over there.

I don’t think the best weapon is merely reproductive rights, material comforts, or even education. The enemy has shown it can live without these things. I believe that only religion can fight this battle, but the West wants to abandon the best weapon it has.

Anyway, you may not agree a lick with any of the above, but your comment struck me.
 
SHANTARAM said:
The only definitive thing here is that your reading comprehension is struggling. I said I want to live around people who look like me (white) and are sane (not white trash).

This precludes me from dealing with Muslims anymore than I absolutely have to.

“Refugees” must be sent back at once and for all! They will rot your communities from the inside and murder those around you, as we see in Paris.
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You are either telling the truth or a really good troll who is out for shock value. Just saying
 
SHANTARAM said:
The only definitive thing here is that your reading comprehension is struggling. I said I want to live around people who look like me (white) and are sane (not white trash).

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Not on planet earth. We are persons here.
Persons died in Paris.
 
Ad hominem?

Look like 2 posts above yours regarding these attackers being refugees.
 
meltzerboy said:
The several American Muslim friends and acquaintances I know have taught me this by telling me about their religion and showing me their Holy Books. Besides, your own faith implicitly believes this according to passages in the Catholic Church Catechism, while my faith also regards Islam as a religion of ethical monotheism whose members worship the same G-d as Jews. The latter, according to Jewish law, have always been permitted to enter a mosque and even pray with Muslims.
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Also, isn’t judging Islam in the basis of terrorists a bit like judging Christianity based on Fred Phelps and the Westover Baptist Church? You aren’t judging the religion by the behavior of typical examples, but by the behavior of the extremists.
 
mafh said:
Also, isn’t judging Islam in the basis of terrorists a bit like judging Christianity based on Fred Phelps and the Westover Baptist Church? You aren’t judging the religion by the behavior of typical examples, but by the behavior of the extremists.
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And Extremists are active in an extremely large part of the world. That must be taken into account as well.

Nigeria
Cameroon
Chad
Niger
Algeria
Tunisia
Egypt
Libya
Indonesia
Iraq
Syria
Yemen
Afghanistan
Pakistan
India

Even China actually.

Israel
Lebanon

USA
England
France
Canada

Somalia
Kenya

Saudi Arabia

And then, comparing suicide bombings and wanton murder to a tiny group of individuals who make scenes where they can?

I wouldn’t.
 
SHANTARAM said:
Ad hominem?

Look like 2 posts above yours regarding these attackers being refugees.
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Or using refugee sympathisers’ passports. They won’t know until forensic, fingerprint analysis, etc… Passports are easily falsified, and it does seem strange they all brought their passports with them.
 
pepipop said:
Or using refugee sympathisers’ passports. They won’t know until forensic, fingerprint analysis, etc… Passports are easily falsified, and it does seem strange they all brought their passports with them.
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Probably to escape…leave the country. I guess…
 
SHANTARAM said:
Ya I have unfortunately dealt with them. Not serving me tea or whatever, being in the military I’ve dealt with their nasty side.

And no I don’t live around them, I choose to live around people who look like me and are sane.
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Wow, that is a really, really ugly thing to say.

Don’t you think that your experience has been distorted – I mean, after all there is no need for military intervention with peaceful people – so your experiences would naturally be biased towards encounters with violent extremists?

All the Muslims I know are decent, kind, family-oriented people. In fact, I think a lot of Catholics could learn something from them, since they have integrated prayer and religious devotion into their lives to a level that I suspect in rare in Catholicism, apart from people with religious vocations.
 
Path_Finder said:
And Extremists are active in an extremely large part of the world. That must be taken into account as well.

Nigeria
Cameroon
Chad
Niger
Algeria
Tunisia
Egypt
Libya
Indonesia
Iraq
Syria
Yemen
Afghanistan
Pakistan
India

Even China actually.

Israel
Lebanon

USA
England
France
Canada

Somalia
Kenya

Saudi Arabia

And then, comparing suicide bombings and wanton murder to a tiny group of individuals who make scenes where they can?

I wouldn’t.
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You should look at the big picture then. Plenty of nations have a Christian extremism problem.
 
Actually, atheist extremism is the bigger threat in more countries than Christianity ever will be.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Actually, atheist extremism is the bigger threat in more countries than Christianity ever will be.
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Who are the atheist extremists? Do you mean things like Greenpeace and PETA? I’m not trying to be a smart aleck – I just don’t understand what you’re referring to.
 
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