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Serap
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Wanner, I’m getting a bit ticked off by you and since I want to maintain a respectful relationship with you, I wish not to answer.
I hope you understand.
God bless during Holy Week.
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I hope you understand.
God bless during Holy Week.
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Mickey
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LOL! The retro-active negation of the sacrament of marriage. Good one.
It most certainly is when it is used to prevent conception.
Time will tell.
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rinnie
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No! Never should anyone turn away from the teaching’s of the Catholic Church. They need to repent and ask for the Grace of God to live out the teaching’s of the CC.
What good would it do them to leave the CC? How would they be saved. Whom would they go for the forgivness of theirs sins and teachings of Christ if not the CC?
As you stated many do not live out their faith. But what about other things besides ABC. We all have sins and we all fall short of the Glory of God. He knows this that is the whole purpose of the CC.
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wanner47
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So Orthodox can freely dissent from the teachings of the Orthodox church as long as they have permission to do so from their priest? All righty then.
If you’re taking truth as an insult, I can’t help that.
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wanner47
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I don’t understand, Serap, what did I say that would tick you off?
I’m honestly asking: do you feel you are being unjustly judged? If so, I’d like to know, because I don’t want to unjustly judge anyone.
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Mickey
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You are very wise. I have deleted as many of my posts as I was able. There is no place for contentiousness…especially during Holy Week. My apologies to everyone. Please forgive me.
Blessed Holy Week and Pascha to all!
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fred_conty
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I believe Jesus prayed in his suffering “…that all become one as you Father in me and I in You, that they all become one in us.”
Or did He say “that all become seperate and split up and go away…”?
Or did He say “that all become seperate and split up and go away…”?
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Serap
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no worries. it’s a heated topic. you’re an intelligent woman (pregant too
) and the last thing I wanna (get it…“wanna” “Wanner” 
, do is get into a heated CAF fight
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elvisman
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How is the OP judgmental? It is a valid question. Why DO people identify themselves as “Catholic” when they reject the Church’s teachings?Bit judgmental…no? I have yet to meet a Catholic who didn’t pick and choose something. I’m sure all you guys here are completely 100% catholic though.
And where does the Church teach one must be anti gay?
I can’t stand these holier then thou threads! Makes me sick.
Have a Blessed Holy Week and keep on judging others
**Nobody said that the Church said we must be anti-homosexual. We are against homosexual activity - just as we are against heterosexual fornication. Why? Because these things are an abomination before God (Lev. 18:22, 20:13, Rom. 1:26-7, Acts 21:25, 1 Cor. 10:8, 1 Tim. 1:9-11). **
**As for the Catholics that you know who disagree with Church teachings - they need to get in line. The Church is not a free-for-all. It’s not a cafeteria. Truth is TRUTH - whether you think so or not.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Let’s not let loose the unjolly green giant.
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Let’s not let loose the unjolly green giant.
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rinnie
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Huh?Everyone is a Cateteria Catholic to some degree or another or at some point in their life or another so If everyone did as the Question suggest there would be no Church. Im no expert but i have faith that in time Christ will keep pulling his strays back and Keep finding the lost sheep. I for one would not advocate chasing them away.
What in the world does the failings of humans living up to their faith have to do with God’s promise that the Church will be here until the end of age.The Catholic Church is led by the Power of the Holy Spirit not the our failures and sins.
The Church is not here because of the rejection of Man accepting the truth. The Church is here to help SAVE Man and bringing him into God’s grace by repening and learning to Accept the Truth.
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rinnie
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Oh MyI missed a lot of posting. I wasn’t expecting so much discussion.
I am asking wholeheartedly b/c it saddens me that so many people look at Cafeteria Catholics like they are some kind of disease. 80% of Catholics are “Cafeteria Catholics”. I read this yesterday in an article. It got me thinking, that if 80% of Catholics think that the Pope is “behind the times” or “outdated”, then perhaps it is time for the church to re-evaluate it’s stance on things like birth control.
I don’t have the answers.
- Not to allow the pill or IUD b/c it is an abortificient, but to allow barrier methods as a licit method of spacing out babies.
- To perhaps be a little bit more accepting of gay marriages.
- Cohabitation of two people in-love with the intention of marrying.
Many many Catholics that I know are also in agreement with me on these issues as well. I am posting simply b/c the majority of Catholics feel that the Catholic church is wrong on these two fundamental issues.
So what you are saying is the Church should give into sin and forget about what the word of Gods teaches then and go by the teaching;s of Man.I don’t think so. No according to the promise of God Hades WILL NOT take over.
Just wondering what do you want the Pope to do? Keep his promise to Christ that he will not let the devil take over the Church and teach the truth and save our souls from hell by teaching the truth of God.
Or do you think its better to teach the gays to partake in sin and remove themself from the grace of God and live in mortal sin. Just to make them feel better
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Madaglan
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Orthodox and Latin Catholics have different views on who confers the sacrament of marriage. For Latin Catholics, it is the couple that is minister of the sacrament, whereas for Orthodox and Eastern Christians it is the priest who blesses the marriage that confers the sacrament (i.e. mystery). What the priest blesses in the Church, before God, is a marriage. The couple are united together and with Christ in the partaking of the Eucharist.
If the marriage later becomes irreparable due to things like adultery, abandonment, physical abuse, the problem is not with an impediment that made the marriage invalid as a sacrament from the beginning (though the couple may have believed it valid until problems arose); the problem is with unrepentant personal sin. The economical allowance of remarriage, especially with younger Christians who are the innocent party in a former marriage, has in mind the prevention of fornication rather than allowing it.
On contraception, the unitive aspect is not merely physical. Natural Family Planning commonly is a natural way of planning parenthood, and is advertised as more effective than condoms in preventing contraception. The issue is not with the latex, but with the contraceptive mindset, which can be found in both NFP and condom use. .
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wanner47
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I understand the Orthodox teachings. I do, however, disagree with them, and I maintain that they have *completely *changed from what the Orthodox taught in, say, 1100 A.D.
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Madaglan
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The rampant divorces and annulments of today were not typical in the Christian world of 1100 AD. A lot has changed. I do believe that annulments and divorces address many of the same problems that arise in marriage. Annulments, like divorce, for example, always are found when there are problems with a marriage, rarely imposed on a happy, reciprocal, cooperative marriage. .
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rinnie
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So are you saying that if Catholic’s became better informed in the Teachings of Jesus Christ then they would in turn away from his teachings?
The Gospel says that we are to turn to the Pilar of all truth THE CHURCH not turn away. What you are saying does not line up with scripture.
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rinnie
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I can only speak for annulments in the RCC. In order to have an anullment in the CC there has to be proof that a marriage never existed in the first place. Many things have to be present for this to exist.
But the bottom line you must prove that no true marriage in the eyes of the Church’s idea of what a true marriage is cannot exist.
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Alexander_Roman
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Yes indeed. Here is the link to the Methodist Order of St Luke (they are actually selling two of their red scapulars . . .):
www.saint-luke.net
I just love Protestants who have scapulars!!
There are also Anglican and Lutheran Benedictines that I’ve come across (and also one Presbyterian Benedictine).
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wanner47
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*Society *has changed, sadly, especially in that very few couples are properly formed for marriage. The teaching of the Church has remained the same.
However, there is a difference between declaring a marriage to have never existed in the first place (annulment) and declaring that a valid marriage bond can be broken (divorce). Jesus clearly stated, “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”
With an annulment, God did not join anyone together so there is nothing to put asunder.
With a divorce, man is putting asunder what God may have joined together.
They are very different.
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wanner47
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Thank you! I appreciate the info.Yes indeed. Here is the link to the Methodist Order of St Luke (they are actually selling two of their red scapulars . . .):
www.saint-luke.net
I just love Protestants who have scapulars!!
There are also Anglican and Lutheran Benedictines that I’ve come across (and also one Presbyterian Benedictine).
Alex
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