Originally Posted by Kevin Walker
My friend, if you pull up just about any post of mine you will see I am a stalwart against the "gay"agenda and do not support homosexuals in the priesthood. In fact, I am often characterized as “homophobic”. I will gladly accept all prayers.
Sorry, I do not see any statement on SSAD in the post that I replied to. The remark about people in this world continuously have the bad habit of putting children in certain catigories while they are still developing their way of thinking. When a suggestion is made to a child that child is most likely going to believe the words of that adult that told them so due to the fact that they have not been told differently. This is what leads into child developement of poor guidance. We should see to it that even those who teach children on a daily bases are not degrading children in any way shape or form. When this situation is noted, the gaurdians of that child should take immidiate peaceful action to correct that teacher in private first then if that doesn’t work then to the PTA. This is a concern to many parents and gaurdians. take action now do not let the problem grow to a worst level. God said that we are not to misguide children, for if so we would be better off with a millstone around our necks.
Sorry to have taken your statement the wrong way, but you did write "I accept there have always been homosexuals in the priesthood and always will be. " to me that is the same as saying it is ok to be so. Yes, they exixt thereand probably in many other religions as well that we are not told of. I do hope that there will come a time where ther will not always be this situation in the priesthood. Peace to you and God bless
My point was that there will never be a way to eliminate homosexuality 100% from the priesthood. The authorities should do all they can to not take such candidates, but it will never be possible to totally eliminate it in every case.
you consider the Church’s use of the word “disorder” in the same way that mental health people do. that opinion is not the teaching of the Church. when the Church says that homosexuality is “objectively disordered”, that doesn’t mean some mental condition. it means that it is always (objectively) incompatable with the truth about God and his creation. the ‘order’ referenced by the term ‘disorder’ is the way God has ordained things to be. God, by virtue of creating us, says that sexual union is for the male and female. homosexuality fails to recogize that truth (disordered). the Church doesn’t not teach that it is a mental health disease.
I think we need to go back and directly address the original post/question.my opinion is no. It ´s against God words…The Holy Bible.:nope: I don´t hate homosexuals- I don´t like the sexuality they practice.
But WHY is it more grievous? You would probably recoil at an “obvious” homosexual, but what about “sexy” straight priest.
I agree. I don’t hate homosexuals either or do I understand them, but it is a mental health disorder and homosexuals should be prevented from entering the Priesthood, or any other vocation requiring emotional stability and clarity of thought.my opinion is no. It ´s against God words…The Holy Bible.:nope: I don´t hate homosexuals- I don´t like the sexuality they practice.
The opinion made was crystal clear to the original question as to should homosexuals be aloud in the priesthood. The vow of chasity is for the men that wish to pracitce priesthood and to remain in good faith with the Holy Spirit. Again I will say that the Laws laid down by the Holy Spirit, thru Moses, are not to be taken lightly. Jesus said clearly “Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For amen I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall be lost from the Law till all things have been accomplished. Therefore whoever does away with one of these least commandments, and so teaches men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever carries them out and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your justice exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the Kingdom of heaven.” Matt: 5, 17 thru 20
Weakness of the flesh comes from the temptations that we allow ourselves to give into by Satan and his demons.A true Christian will not allow a known homo to be a part of the priesthood or any other form of preaching do to the issue of the Law laid down by our Father, the Holy Spirit. Your statements are rebellious against the Holy Spirit and I do hope soon you can understand what being a true Christian is all about. For a priest to make such a statement would be grounds to be excommunicated from the church until he came to his senses of what he originally had set his goal to do as a priest, not by his own opinions. You are not to look at a priest as to be sexy, nor any other person for that matter. This reasoning is due to the fact that you would be looking at that individual with lust and this is a sin of adultry as Jesus had worned us. Lets have stronger hearts against temptations by turning our heads away from them and tell Satan NO, be gone as Jesus did to him in the dessert.
Also agree with the exception of it being a health issue. A mental disorder, yes. For Satan is working on the mind of man to tempt mankind with his wicked thoughts of his own. One could even say that in todays world, lust is Satans number one weapon. From lust there comes jealuosy, anger, adultry, and even murder. Lets continue to pray for peace and hope that those who have fallin into this bad situation become free from their lusts and see clear the truth and way of our Lord, Jesus. This way we can some day soon say that we too are like our teacher, Jesus. The day that this takes place, we can truelly say we are all one. Peace and God Bless
Your point being? Being tempted itself is not a sin. Jesus was tempted. Hetero priests are tempted constantly. Acting on that temptations is the sin. The point of the argument, I recall, is assumed the vow remains – i.e. temptations are being resisted.
The point was clearly made. There also was no mention of being tempted alone was a sin. Your statement was this; “I think we need to go back and directly address the original post/question.” No vows were mentioned in the original post either. All though the vow of a priest is to remain chase and live without sin, which would include that of not conducting homosexual acts. You should really take the book of Leviticus more serious then what you are. I can only pray for you that you will someday soon see the truth of what we are on earth for. Peace to you and God bless
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