Should homosexual men be allowed to be priests?

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Theres a difference between homosexuals and pedophiles. I know gay people and they control themselves and dont jump on the nearest child that comes by. I think homosexuals could be priests without any problems. Straight priests dont jump all over the girls that come for CCD. Pedophilia is something entirely different. While most of the pedophiles who went into the priesthood preferred boys, I think its more of a creepy dominance and perversion than just a sexual preference. They went in there knowing it would be the perfect environment for them to prey on kids. And not to be vulgar, but the reason boys were molested was probably largely to do with the fact that there wouldnt be any…err…evidence…as in no pregnancy or blood. It was a lot safer to do. THese creeps are entirely different than homosexuals.
 
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Jeremy:
I respect the Vatican’s warnings against ordinating even celibate homosexuals in its 1961 instructions. However I am having trouble understanding them.

They have demonstrated their willingness to put aside their own desires for the sake of God, and have answered his call to serve. I don’t understand why this is not sufficient.
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I don’t want to repeat my whole previous post earlier this date. Not the one you’ve attached this to but it is there if you are interested.

If It doesn’t help to clear things up I don’t need to know. Just suffice it to say that the just authority of the Church has deemed it so and we are obligated in all humility and obedience to abide by her teaching on the matter.

God bless,

-FranL
 
#1 PLEASE go to the Courage website
www.couragerc.org and read some of the testimonials.

It is THE ONLY GROUP approved by the Pontifical Council that helps people who have same-sex attraction. Find a group in your area, go to a conference/retreat with them. THEY WILL HELP!

#2 get a copy of the cd set from St. Joseph Communication (Covina, CA) at www.saintjoe.com by Deacon Dr. Bob McDonald. called “Confronting The Gay Agenda” (it’s a 2 cd set, but the one EVERYONE needs to hear is the one by Deacon Dr. Bob McDonald)

and then, spread the truth!!!

If everyone reading this thread would get a copy of the cd set, (and then share it with a firiend!) we would begin to understand the difficulties of same sex attraction and spread the truth of this disorder.

God’s blessings be with you,
Angel
 
Guess again.

The vast majority of the lawsuits in this round of scandals concern the suduction and/or rape of young men and boys by homosexuals. Well over 90%.

God bless,
  • FranL
 
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oudave:
This is about as STUPID a question I may have ever heard.
The only answer is NO. But I will say that the catholic church is desperate for priest’s, so it doesnt suprise me. A church that claims to love it’s people would never put it’s youth in a situation like that. Oh wait the catholic thurch has already done that. UNBELIEVABLE!
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Oudave,I grew up in the Church of Christ like you are in,I have said it before and I will say it again DON"T GO THERE!:tsktsk: They have the same sex problems and it gets swept under the carpet,but it doesn’t MAKE THE NEWS!You need to tend to your own and be honest with yourself,when you deal with humans bad things can happen:mad:
 
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oudave:
This doesnt suprise me to see a church that is running from the Bible as fast as it can like the catholic church to ponder this question. To even consider this question should tell you plenty about your leaders.
PLEASE read Mathew 7:20-23. Your leaders, dont let it be you.
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It considers the question instead of ignoring it Oudave:mad: We embrace the Bible,we put scriptures in canon.Get a grip.The Bible says all things are possible with God,now you consider what that means.God Bless
 
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miguel:
Frankly, it amazes me that anyone would even ask this question.
  1. The Church teaches (“On the pastoral care of homosexual persons” from the CDF) not only that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, but that the very inclination itself is disordered (i.e., there is a psychological/psychiatric problem).
  2. The Bishops of the US were told a long time ago (1961) not to ordain homosexual men to the priesthood. But they didn’t follow orders (as usual).
  3. Over 80% of the victims in the clergy sex abuse scandal were male adolescents.
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Here’s some OLD NEWS. regarding this situation in Orange County, CA.

www.ocregister.com/commentary/greenhut/greenhut60902.shtml

the horrors of which we are now living (see “IN THE NEWS” re: homosexual activists enrolling their adopted children in an Orange County Catholic school)
and please read thru ALL the thread so you can see the agenda.

God help us in OC.
Angel
 
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miguel:
It’s irrelevant to keep bringing up women in this discussion since it’s impossible for them to be validly ordained.👋
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Don’t you worry Katherine2,thanks to radical feminist women are catching up on all crimes including sex crimes!Like one of the posters down a few posts said women are responsible for more murders than all wars ever fought.Women Priests:rolleyes: Any way its not happening.Lesbian Preists,do you have an agenda you are pushing?
 
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FranL:
If It doesn’t help to clear things up I don’t need to know. Just suffice it to say that the just authority of the Church has deemed it so and we are obligated in all humility and obedience to abide by her teaching on the matter.
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FranL, I will assume that you did not intend to offend me here. If you are not interested in responding to my questions then simply don’t respond, there is no reason to say “I don’t want to hear it”.

In any case it does not seem in the spirit of the Church’s teaching to ask its members to do things without explaining the reasons for them. Personally I have found that, without exception, understanding the reasons behind the Church’s decisions make obedience easier and is therefore desired.

The arguments you present, FranL, seem incomplete and inaccurate. For example you seem to be confusing the tendency toward pedophilia with the tendency for homosexual behavior. Every impartial scientific study I have seen concerning the psychology of child molesters is that their sexual preference is irrelevant to whom or when they molest.

In fact here is a quick argument for you that sexual orientation and child molestation are two different things. You are heterosexual, correct? Then tell me – are you more likely to molest someone of the opposite sex than of your sex? The correct answer to this question is “What an offensive question, I would never molest anybody!” I guarantee you that 99 out of 100 gay people would give that answer as well.

Even the language of the 1961 document seems to contradict your argument. It reads

“*Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.”

*It lists pederasty as distinct from homosexuality, saying one OR the other. If Pope John XXIII had believed the issues to be linked, I am sure he would have worded this differently.

So again, I’m not advocating disobedience, I am seeking a solid argument to support the Church’s position.
 
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VATICAN TO ENFORCE 1961 DOCUMENT BANNING HOMOSEXUAL PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS

…The Holy See has recognized that a major contributor to these sex abuses has been the reluctance of bishops to apply the 1961 document from the Sacred Congregation for Religious which prohibits the admission of homosexuals to the diocesan priesthood and religious orders.
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**I think they should follow the rules of this document. If a homosexual has already come out of the closet prior to his being accepted into a seminary and assuming he has already experienced a homosexual relationship then I think it would be too great a risk to subject him to the temptations of being around other male seminarians that he may be attracted to. **
**Religious communities wouldn’t think of putting a community of religious women together with a community of religious men where they would cohabitate, could you imagine the temptations? **
 
I think it would be too great a risk to subject him to the temptations of being around other male seminarians that he may be attracted to.
How is this different from the homosexual man’s normal life where he sees men every day that he may be attracted to? Or the heterosexual man’s normal life where he sees women every day that he may be attracted to? God expects everyone to be chaste.

As for cohabitation it would seem sufficient to make sure that two homosexual men do not share the same room at night.
 
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Jeremy:
How is this different from the homosexual man’s normal life where he sees men every day that he may be attracted to? Or the heterosexual man’s normal life where he sees women every day that he may be attracted to? God expects everyone to be chaste.

As for cohabitation it would seem sufficient to make sure that two homosexual men do not share the same room at night.
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Jeremy,
It is true that a homosexual man sees men every day in his “normal life” or secular life that he may be attracted. In a religious life a homosexual man would be living, dining, worshiping/praying, working side by side, day by day. I feel the temptation is greater in a religious life more than in a secular life. Understand, I have no proof on the subject to back me up, this is just my opinion.
 
I have talked to a few gay men who have been in the military, and from what I understand there is no temptation there because they understand that it is disapproved of in that environment and also because no one else is interested.

In any case I can think of no safer place for a homosexual man to avoid temptation than to be surrounded by dozens of Catholic priests 🙂
 
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Jeremy:
I have talked to a few gay men who have been in the military, and from what I understand there is no temptation there because they understand that it is disapproved of in that environment and also because no one else is interested.

In any case I can think of no safer place for a homosexual man to avoid temptation than to be surrounded by dozens of Catholic priests 🙂
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**I think too in the military if a man did have homosexual tendencies he would more than likely supress them because he would be afraid of being ridiculed, isolated and possibly physically abused by his fellow service men. ****In a seminary that would not happen. **
Have you read the book by Michael Rose “Goodbye Goodmen”? I suggest you read this book.
 
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RomanRyan1088:
Now I think you are talking about those who are active homosexuals. I think that those who said yes were reffering to those who struggle wiht SSA, but are not ACTIVE.

God Bless.
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It obvious that you, like most ppl have allowed satan to fill your head with lies. If a person claims to be “homosexual” then that person is attempting to make a liar out of God. God doesn’t make junk. God does not make mistakes. So, calling ones self “gay” is to say that God is in fact a liar, since it was God that created man for Himself & woman for man.

Anyone that claims to be gay or lesbian regardless of whether they are sexually active or not has given in to a lie. They should not attempt to serve as a priest or nun, & they should not even call themselves “christian” much less “catholic”. No person can serve God & their own perverse desires, or isn’t that evident with the flood of child abuse we are facing today?
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Shoshana:
What happens if a homosexual priest who has never acted on his sexuality all of his life and God has really called him to the Holy Orders? Who is responsible for the loss of this vocation? And please, **I cannot bear to hear that God would not call a homosexual fo the priesthood.
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I know of one case in particular and he lives a very holy life…what then?
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First of all God would “call” this person to begin to change their sinful lives before He would ask them to take on Holy Orders & like it or not God does not have to rely on your approval nor does He work as you want Him to.

You ppl forget the God did not create homosexuality, but it came about as a vile act brought on out of lust & disrespect of God. God dispized these acts so much that it was God’s Law to put these types of ppl to death.

What then you ask? Well as Jesus said “you can not get good friut from a bad tree”, so you should stop kidding yourself thinking that this case you speak of is living a “very holy life” as you put it.
 
omg its JO:
There is a difference from homosexual men and pedephiles.

If you worry about your son because the priest is a homosexual, there’s no real reason to be.

It only matters if the priest is a pedephile, and if you think he is, then you should take caution, but don’t be too alarmed until you’re sure.

If there is any other reason why homosexuals should not be priests, I’d love to argue.

I’m friendly with plenty of homosexuals. Some of my closest friends are homosexual.

They aren’t much different. Well, they are a little different, but different is not technically wrong, in the same way that different religions are not wrong.
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Unless you are trying to help these ppl turn their backs on their sins & give thier life to Jesus then you are only going to get sunk down into the same trap that they are in. If these “friends” of yours are not willing to change their sinful ways & you support them then you will have to answer to God for your lack of love not only for Him but for them as well. God hates the sin of homosexuals, so should you if you claim to be a Christian. If you applaude their sin then you applaude satan & all his works.
 
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mtr01:
After reading the thread, I tend to agree with RomanRyan.

FWIW, it seems to me that the focus should be more on discovering who has an authentic call to the priesthood, rather than what one’s sexual orientation is.** If one has a true calling from God, I suspect that the man who is called would not engage in any abuse of any kind…or to anyone**.
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Haven’t watched the news these past 5 years have you??
 
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RomanRyan1088:
You know what, I find this thread really wrong, and i want it closed!
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Why, because you have a gay relative?
Jesus said “unless you deny your mother, father, sister, brother, land, possessions, even your very self, you are not worthy to be my disciple”. You can not follow Christ & still applaude or accept anyones sinfulness or their sexual orientation if it does not glorify God. A “homosexual” person seeks to serve their own lusts & that is the sin that God detests.
I have gay & lesbian relatives & will have nothing to do with them because they relish in their sin, active or not. Homosexuality, like all other sexual perversions are more spiritual then they are physical & I speak from experience. I was once involved in a homosexual relationship when I was a teenager & I know first hand how I was in grave sin trying to follow my own perversion & rejecting the truth. God didn’t make me a sinner, I did that to myself. I have since repented & I now see things much clearer than most when it comes to topis like this.
Loving unconditionally & loving the sinner at the same time accepting their sin is not one & the same. Jesus never told Mary Magdalan “you’re sins are forgiven so go ahead & keep sinning” now did he?
 
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