Should liberals leave the catholic church?

[Ahimsa]

Jesus is a liberal.

 

[estesbob]

Jesus is a liberal.

So now we are reduced to bumper sticker apologetics.

 

[sosayi1960]

:ehh: Whom did I blame?

Some things are, and the Church is not a democracy.

The Church would be happy if what?

Of course He did, and I have never challenged that. He died for all of us, and we are all sinners. We should all submit to the true teaching of the Church He founded while He was on earth.

Pax,
Robert

The church doesn’t need any progressive members. Some of us question certain teachings. I know the church is not a democracy. So, we will leave. The church, at least many of it’s members say get out. Fine, my family and I will leave. I can easily raise my family in another denomination.

My wife wants to remain Catholic. She said she will leave when she gets a letter from the Bishop. I have to believe that the Holy Spirit is calling my family to another church.

My son has Autism. The priest treats him like vermin. No Christian compassion. Funny how the church which preaches “Life” has contempt for the less than perfect. I guess I’ll have to go cherry picking elsewhere. I cannot be an elite Catholic. Our lord said “You must be perfect”. Well I cannot be a “perfect” Catholic.
My kids and my wife aren’t perfect either. The church doesn’t need us. We don’t need it either. God reveals himself in many ways. God knows my family and my life with all our imperfections. God will provide. God Bless!

 

[aimee]

The church doesn’t need any progressive members. Some of us question certain teachings. I know the church is not a democracy. So, we will leave. The church, at least many of it’s members say get out. Fine, my family and I will leave. I can easily raise my family in another denomination.

My wife wants to remain Catholic. She said she will leave when she gets a letter from the Bishop. I have to believe that the Holy Spirit is calling my family to another church.

My son has Autism. The priest treats him like vermin. No Christian compassion. Funny how the church which preaches “Life” has contempt for the less than perfect. I guess I’ll have to go cherry picking elsewhere. I cannot be an elite Catholic. Our lord said “You must be perfect”. Well I cannot be a “perfect” Catholic.
My kids and my wife aren’t perfect either. The church doesn’t need us. We don’t need it either. God reveals himself in many ways. God knows my family and my life with all our imperfections. God will provide. God Bless!

Sorry to hear that…I’ll pray for you,

btw, my son is autistic and has been confirmed and treated very well…

 

[MikeDunphy]

My son has Autism. The priest treats him like vermin. No Christian compassion. Funny how the church which preaches “Life” has contempt for the less than perfect.

I frequently see an autistic member of our parish in church, and don’t recall ever seeing him treated badly. Perhaps you should find a new parish.

 

[sosayi1960]

I frequently see an autistic member of our parish in church, and don’t recall ever seeing him treated badly. Perhaps you should find a new parish.

I really believe that the church doesn’t care. Why would changing parishes help? My wife believes I’m throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The church doesn’t need any progressive members. Some of us question certain teachings. I know the church is not a democracy. So, we will leave. The church, at least many of it’s members say get out. Fine, my family and I will leave. I can easily raise my family in another denomination.

Are you threatening God!?!?

 

[anamchara]

Are you threatening God!?!?

What the! very nice to way to “council the doubtful” there Vern your post is a perfect example of what drives people out of the Church.

 

[vern_humphrey]

What the! very nice to way to “council the doubtful” there Vern your post is a perfect example of what drives people out of the Church.

You’re going to punish God by leaving the Church, and it’s all **my **fault?

 

[anamchara]

The church doesn’t need any progressive members. Some of us question certain teachings. I know the church is not a democracy. So, we will leave. The church, at least many of it’s members say get out. Fine, my family and I will leave. I can easily raise my family in another denomination.

My wife wants to remain Catholic. She said she will leave when she gets a letter from the Bishop. I have to believe that the Holy Spirit is calling my family to another church.

My son has Autism. The priest treats him like vermin. No Christian compassion. Funny how the church which preaches “Life” has contempt for the less than perfect. I guess I’ll have to go cherry picking elsewhere. I cannot be an elite Catholic. Our lord said “You must be perfect”. Well I cannot be a “perfect” Catholic.
My kids and my wife aren’t perfect either. The church doesn’t need us. We don’t need it either. God reveals himself in many ways. God knows my family and my life with all our imperfections. God will provide. God Bless!

We have a disabled daughter, she is severely learning disabled due to epilepsy. I do feel your pain on that score I don’t know if your diocese offer this but we have a Catholic camp for disabled children. It’s one to one. I’m thinking about signing my daughter up for it this summer. You might want to check your diocesan web site for it.

I hate to hear anyone wanting to leave especially anyone who has been treated badly and hurt. If a priest ever treated my daughter badly, I’d tell him how I felt and we would move to a different parish. If it was really bad I’d send a letter of complaint to the bishop. I am a huge advocate for the disabled.

Your faith is very strong in God, I can see that, but please don’t let certain priests and people chase you away from the Church. I urge to go find a different parish first before making that decision. The Catholic tent is big enough for us all, liberals, conservatives, progressives, whatever. Don’t let what people say on here push you out. The traditionalists question things in the Church just as much as the liberals so I don’t know what the big deal is. Spend some time over in the traditionalists forum and count how many posts are about VACII and how many issues they have with it

Anyway, please don’t give up yet and stick around. You have my prayers as I can see you are very frustrated

 

[fix]

"In forming their consciences the Christian faithful must give careful attention to the sacred and certain teaching of the Church. For the Catholic Church is by the will of Christ the teacher of truth. Her charge is to announce and teach authentically that truth which is Christ, and at the same time with her authority to declare and confirm the principles of the moral order which derive from human nature itself ".111 It follows that the authority of the Church, when she pronounces on moral questions, in no way undermines the freedom of conscience of Christians. This is so not only because freedom of conscience is never freedom “from” the truth but always and only freedom “in” the truth, but also because the Magisterium does not bring to the Christian conscience truths which are extraneous to it; rather it brings to light the truths which it ought already to possess, developing them from the starting point of the primordial act of faith. The Church puts herself always and only at the *service of conscience, *helping it to avoid being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine proposed by human deceit (cf. *Eph *4:14), and helping it not to swerve from the truth about the good of man, but rather, especially in more difficult questions, to attain the truth with certainty and to abide in it.
Veritatis splendor

How can a Catholic claim their conscience is superior to truth?

 

[anamchara]

You’re going to punish God by leaving the Church, and it’s all **my **fault?

No one is punishing God, this man obviously loves God, please go read the works of mercy and act like a Catholic instead of a ranting fundamentalists from the Protestant far right fringes.

 

[vern_humphrey]

No one is punishing God, this man obviously loves God, please go read the works of mercy and act like a Catholic instead of a ranting fundamentalists from the Protestant far right fringes.

So you’re acting like a Catholic when you call me a “ranting fundamentalist from the Protestant far right fringes?”

That, in your opinion, is how a Catholic should address another Catholic?

 

[Teflon93]

The author seems to think so:

full article

You cannot serve God and Mammon both, to paraphrase “Pale Rider”.

As a political conservative, I struggle with some Catholic teachings, particularly what is currently called “social justice”. Yet as a Catholic, I must acknowledge that the Church embodies Christ’s teaching and God’s will, and I would be a fool to presume that my personal political beliefs somehow trump either. Thus I strive to align myself with the Church, versus trying to pull the Church toward my own political viewpoint.

These days, it seems like political liberals take exactly the opposite position, and the atheists who make up so much of the media today propagandize on their behalf.

This is most clearly seen on the subject of abortion, but is clearly in play in the fashionable “gay marriage” debate as well.

You cannot serve God and Mammon both.

 

[fix]

That the only important thing in the Church is that we love each other and if they have a problem with a teaching just follow their conscience.

I am wondering how we can claim to love one another when we refuse to obey God at the same time? Seems contrardictory.

 

[anamchara]

So you’re acting like a Catholic when you call me a “ranting fundamentalist from the Protestant far right fringes?”

That, in your opinion, is how a Catholic should address another Catholic?

Well in the true response of a mean spirited conservative my reply should be…"gee, aren’t we suppose to admonish the sinner’? Golly, that’s all I was doing.

It doesn’t feel very good to have someone of your own faith snap at you does it? Maybe instead of coming in here and accusing someone of punishing God, try and help them as Christ would.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I am wondering how we can claim to love one another when we refuse to obey God at the same time? Seems contrardictory.

At the risk of being called a “ranting fundamentalist from the Protestant far right fringes” again, I have to say I never knew anyone who left the Catholic Church out of love.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Well in the true response of a mean spirited conservative my reply should be…"gee, aren’t we suppose to admonish the sinner’? Golly, that’s all I was doing.

It doesn’t feel very good to have someone of your own faith snap at you does it? Maybe instead of coming in here and accusing someone of punishing God, try and help them as Christ would.

Ah, another rant from the holier-than-thou crowd.

 

[anamchara]

Ah, another rant from the holier-than-thou crowd.

no,just holier then you vern :angel1:

 

[vern_humphrey]

no,just holier then you vern :angel1:

That’s what I said – the holier-than-thou crowd.