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Denise1957
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Mardukm wrote:
“Maybe if the holier-than-thou judgmentalism stops from traditional Catholics, then the TLM might gain more acceptance from the run-of-the-mill Catholic.”
Yes, I understand what you are saying, and the holier-than-thou attitude can be and is sometimes a factor, but there are other factors, too.
Even if all Catholics who have a preference for the TLM were always humble and not judgmental at all, there would still be problems implementing the TLM in every diocese. Sometimes it’s the case where a bishop doesn’t have time or resources to implement the TLM. To have a regularly scheduled TLM requires a church or other type of diocese facility. It also requires a priest who can and is willing to celebrate it, and then there are vestments and other things that are required in a TLM. Sometimes a bishop feels overwhelmed in having to provide these things.
And then there are some bishops who may not want a fight on their hands, in the form of priests and laypersons who don’t like the TLM, and will cause headaches for the bishop.
And though they are in the minority, IMO, there are a few bishops who are themselves opposed to the TLM. But I’m confident that even in these dioceses, if Our Lord sees fit, it will happen (the TLM offered).
The stereotype of the traditional Catholic with a bad attitude is a factor, as I’ve said, but part of this is attitude due to traditional Catholics being fed hook-line-and-sinker, for many years now, by a certain Society of priests and bishops, that the OF is always sacrilegious and always at least venially sinful to attend (even if celebrated reverently). I think that trad Caths have been brainwashed, really, in this respect. Not that there haven’t been serious problems, at times, with abuse in the OF since the Council. But their way is not the way to go about changing things. If those of us who have a preference for the TLM understand that we cannot do it alone, we have to rely on prayer and guidance from Him, it should help. It has to be His will that must be acquiesced to, not our own will.
Regarding guitars at Mass, I wouldn’t mind them as long as they are up in the loft at the back of the sanctuary, along with the choir and organ. But unless the guitar is hooked up to an amplifier, it’ll be drowned out for sure by the very loud and booming organ!
“Maybe if the holier-than-thou judgmentalism stops from traditional Catholics, then the TLM might gain more acceptance from the run-of-the-mill Catholic.”
Yes, I understand what you are saying, and the holier-than-thou attitude can be and is sometimes a factor, but there are other factors, too.
Even if all Catholics who have a preference for the TLM were always humble and not judgmental at all, there would still be problems implementing the TLM in every diocese. Sometimes it’s the case where a bishop doesn’t have time or resources to implement the TLM. To have a regularly scheduled TLM requires a church or other type of diocese facility. It also requires a priest who can and is willing to celebrate it, and then there are vestments and other things that are required in a TLM. Sometimes a bishop feels overwhelmed in having to provide these things.
And then there are some bishops who may not want a fight on their hands, in the form of priests and laypersons who don’t like the TLM, and will cause headaches for the bishop.
And though they are in the minority, IMO, there are a few bishops who are themselves opposed to the TLM. But I’m confident that even in these dioceses, if Our Lord sees fit, it will happen (the TLM offered).
The stereotype of the traditional Catholic with a bad attitude is a factor, as I’ve said, but part of this is attitude due to traditional Catholics being fed hook-line-and-sinker, for many years now, by a certain Society of priests and bishops, that the OF is always sacrilegious and always at least venially sinful to attend (even if celebrated reverently). I think that trad Caths have been brainwashed, really, in this respect. Not that there haven’t been serious problems, at times, with abuse in the OF since the Council. But their way is not the way to go about changing things. If those of us who have a preference for the TLM understand that we cannot do it alone, we have to rely on prayer and guidance from Him, it should help. It has to be His will that must be acquiesced to, not our own will.
Regarding guitars at Mass, I wouldn’t mind them as long as they are up in the loft at the back of the sanctuary, along with the choir and organ. But unless the guitar is hooked up to an amplifier, it’ll be drowned out for sure by the very loud and booming organ!
