Should we even have EMHC's?

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How could Masses be scheduled if they became much longer? What kind of schedule could accomodate a large parish of say 2100 families?
We have over 3,000 families and have a half hour between masses, sometimes less if the previous mass goes long. We have 3 priests and 5 EMs giving out communmion at each mass. If we just used the 3 priests I can’t imagine wht the mess in the parking lot will look like between masses.
 
We have over 3,000 families and have a half hour between masses, sometimes less if the previous mass goes long. We have 3 priests and 5 EMs giving out communmion at each mass. If we just used the 3 priests I can’t imagine wht the mess in the parking lot will look like between masses.
That is what I am afraid would happen in many parishes. Now, also, your parish has three priests. What about a parish that only has 1 or 2? How would they handle the scheduling?
 
Parishes (and/or dioceses) need to start a vocations campaign. Not “creating” or “forcing” vocations, but fostering and nurturing them. Showing good examples of the priesthood that will encourage young (or old) men to listen a little harder to God’s call, if they are indeed called to the priesthood.
 
No, it is not. Sorry, expediency in receiving Holy Communion should not and cannot be the overriding concern in this equation.
It isn’t just that, the average priest is in their late 50s or older. Administering holy communion to hundreds in both kinds with no help is an arduous task for someone older.

And while the extended communion rite continues, presumably the people will continue with hymns, and the Catholic people are not great or enthusiastic church singers.

Reducing the length of the homily could accommodate some of the additional time needed to abolish EMHC’s, but Catholics would also have to accustom themselves to longer (maybe significantly longer) mass times.

And of course the EMHC’s definitely enjoy their important work, the church would be losing their involvement when getting people involved at all is difficult.

I just see a lot more negatives than positives in abolishing the office of EMHC.
 
And while the extended communion rite continues, presumably the people will continue with hymns, and the Catholic people are not great or enthusiastic church singers.
Maybe the quality of the music could be improved?
Reducing the length of the homily could accommodate some of the additional time needed to abolish EMHC’s, but Catholics would also have to accustom themselves to longer (maybe significantly longer) mass times.
Reducing the length of the homily (which is part of the liturgy) can be accomplished by removing the frills and returning to sound Catholic catechesis on Scripture and Church Teaching!
And of course the EMHC’s definitely enjoy their important work, the church would be losing their involvement when getting people involved at all is difficult.
(I thought more Catholics are “getting involved” (i.e. “actively participating”) than ever…)

They should be praying for vocations to the priesthood. If a person can’t feel “involved” without being an EMHC, that’s a deficiency in their understanding of actual participation. Perhaps if EMHCs were instructed properly they wouldn’t be attached to their temporal (i.e. extraordinary) post.
I just see a lot more negatives than positives in abolishing the office of EMHC.
EMHC is not a permanent office/ministry. When the need disappears, the position disappears.
 
No. Only “ordained” ministers (priests and deacons) may give the Holy Eucharist.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instuarare omnia in Christo
 
I feel we should keep having EMs distribute the hosts and wine.
The EMs have always distrubuted the Eucharist (The Eucharistic Minister is always and only the priest) But I have never heard of a Catholic church distributing wine…the precious blood of Christ, yes…but never wine.
This was one of the many changes with Vatican II to bring the Mass closer to the people.
Vatican II didn’t change the Mass in fact Vatican II ended in 1965 and the Novus Ordo Mass was born in 1969 or 1970.
An active lay presence at mass encourages the parish.
That is not the reason form Extraordinary Minsiters of Holy Communion…The reason for them is in extraordinary circumstances when there are not enough ordinary ministers of Holy Communion ie priests and deacons. The “participation of the Laity” angle is not church teaching.
It keeps a divide forming between the clergy and the laity,
Actually it blurs the line between the Sacramental priesthood vs the royal priesthood which becomes from protestantism…
which was one of the reasons Vatican II changed the mass formats from TLM to NO.
There you go again…vatican II didn’t change the Mass and Nowhere in the documents of Vatican II is the “formats” of the Novus Ordo listed.

Progressives have twisted the reasoning for EMHCs to “lay participation” which is not why the use of them was implemmented…but then again the Sacrificial Nature of the Mass has been nearly written out of Catholic instruction as well.
 
How could Masses be scheduled if they became much longer? What kind of schedule could accomodate a large parish of say 2100 families?
OK lets see. 2100 families. Most Parishes report approximately 30% of those registered actually show up for Mass. So using that lets say that 700 families show up. Average family size has shrunk but lets be generous for the sake of argument and say five per family and make it 3500 family members show up. Lets add an additional 1000 singles and we have a grand total of 4500. OK, vigil Mass is always popular so lets put 1,000 at that one. That leaves 3500 for the Sunday Masses. So lets schedule 7, 8:30 , 10, 12 and 2, not unreasonable at all. That puts 700 at each Mass… OK Distributing Holy Communion takes about 3 seconds per person, it really does, thats it, so figure 15 to 20 per minute,per Priest. At 15 per minute per Priest that works out to 900 per hour, but wait, we only have 700 there .So the actual time for one priest is would be about 45 minutes. 2 priests, around 20 minutes, 2 priests and a deacon about 10-15 minutes, which is not at all unreasonable.

You see the problem with talking about big parishes is that the poster wants you to think that everybody goes to Mass. The sad truth is that they do not and in fact the numbers that do actually go are quite small in comparison to the numbers actually registered. Sorry, but that is a fact.

I once contacted one of these mega parishes just to get a feel on the actual numbers at Mass. This particular parish had over 14,000 people on the rolls of which just over 20% regularly showed up for Mass. Upon checking with other Parishes I found that 30-35% was about average.

Distributing Holy Communion usually takes less than 5 minutes in the majority of Churches I’ve seen that use extraordinary Ministers. So lets be honest here, expediency and laity involvement are the overriding concerns, nothing else, I’ve been to way too many Masses where the Priest merely sat on the side and distributed nothing and others where you had 5 extraordinary Ministers and the Priest for a congregation of around thiry or so to think any differently.

Nope, they are overused and should be severely curtailed. I used to believe eliminated but I’ve modified my opinion somewhat over the years and do see a need for them for distribution to the homebound etc.
 
THurifer
Vatican II didn’t change the Mass in fact Vatican II ended in 1965 and the Novus Ordo Mass was born in 1969 or 1970.
It came out of Vatican II. THe Missal of Paul VI was a revised edition of Paul V.
That is not the reason form Extraordinary Minsiters of Holy Communion…The reason for them is in extraordinary circumstances when there are not enough ordinary ministers of Holy Communion ie priests and deacons. The “participation of the Laity” angle is not church teaching.
EMCH’s have become common because of the shortage of priest.
Learn to live with them, they’re not going away. In fact, you’ll see even more participation of the laity in the years to come. Communion services will be presided over by “Lay Presiders.”

Will you avoid Holy Communion when this comes to be?
Actually it blurs the line between the Sacramental priesthood vs the royal priesthood which becomes from protestantism…
Only for those who are confused in the first place. No EMCH I know, thinks they’re serving as some sort of mini-priest.
There you go again…vatican II didn’t change the Mass and Nowhere in the documents of Vatican II is the “formats” of the Novus Ordo listed.
The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy provides the norms for the Novus Ordo
Progressives have twisted the reasoning for EMHCs to “lay participation” which is not why the use of them was implemmented…but then again the Sacrificial Nature of the Mass has been nearly written out of Catholic instruction as well.
Fundamentalist live in a world were the Mass is between themselves and God, not as community shared event. They hate themselves so they hate their neighbor and so they hate seeing their neighbor do anything beyond what they would do, and that is, sit in the pew and keep silent. Let the priest do everything. But then, thats only if they accept the priest being their style of priest.

Jim
 
It came out of Vatican II. THe Missal of Paul VI was a revised edition of Paul V.
Pius V, you mean.
EMCH’s have become common because of the shortage of priest. Learn to live with them, they’re not going away. In fact, you’ll see even more participation of the laity in the years to come. Communion services will be presided over by “Lay Presiders.”
That saddens me.
Only for those who are confused in the first place. No EMCH I know, thinks they’re serving as some sort of mini-priest.
Just wait until “Communion services” become more frequent than Mass.
The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy provides the norms for the Novus Ordo
Really? Where is the “Communion in the hand” norm? Where is the EMHC norm? Where is the widely applied Communion under both kinds (see the examples provided in n. 55).
 
OK lets see. 2100 families. Most Parishes report approximately 30% of those registered actually show up for Mass. So using that lets say that 700 families show up. Average family size has shrunk but lets be generous for the sake of argument and say five per family and make it 3500 family members show up. Lets add an additional 1000 singles and we have a grand total of 4500. OK, vigil Mass is always popular so lets put 1,000 at that one. That leaves 3500 for the Sunday Masses. So lets schedule 7, 8:30 , 10, 12 and 2, not unreasonable at all. That puts 700 at each Mass… OK Distributing Holy Communion takes about 3 seconds per person, it really does, thats it, so figure 15 to 20 per minute,per Priest. At 15 per minute per Priest that works out to 900 per hour, but wait, we only have 700 there .So the actual time for one priest is would be about 45 minutes. 2 priests, around 20 minutes, 2 priests and a deacon about 10-15 minutes, which is not at all unreasonable.

You see the problem with talking about big parishes is that the poster wants you to think that everybody goes to Mass. The sad truth is that they do not and in fact the numbers that do actually go are quite small in comparison to the numbers actually registered. Sorry, but that is a fact.

I once contacted one of these mega parishes just to get a feel on the actual numbers at Mass. This particular parish had over 14,000 people on the rolls of which just over 20% regularly showed up for Mass. Upon checking with other Parishes I found that 30-35% was about average.

Distributing Holy Communion usually takes less than 5 minutes in the majority of Churches I’ve seen that use extraordinary Ministers. So lets be honest here, expediency and laity involvement are the overriding concerns, nothing else, I’ve been to way too many Masses where the Priest merely sat on the side and distributed nothing and others where you had 5 extraordinary Ministers and the Priest for a congregation of around thiry or so to think any differently.

Nope, they are overused and should be severely curtailed. I used to believe eliminated but I’ve modified my opinion somewhat over the years and do see a need for them for distribution to the homebound etc.
Let’s see, with our parish we have over 10,000 parishioners. Based on our census counts during mass, our attendance is about 45%. Our masses are at 5pm and 7pm on Saturday and 7am, 8:30am, 10am, 11:30am, 1pm, 5pm and 7pm Sunday. With the exception of the 7am Sunday mass, each mass has about 500 people at it and one priest and sometimes one deacon. As our church will only hold 500 people, we can not reduce the number of masses, therefore we have to use EMHC’s to be able to have mass, have everyone leave from the mass and everyone for the next mass to enter church in 1 1/2 hrs (in most cases). We do use far fewer EMHC’s at the 7am mass as there are fewer people attending.

We could tighten up the schedule and add a couple of masses, to reduce the number of people at each mass and reduce the need for EMHC’s, but with the schedule we have now we have burned out one pastor and are currently burning out his replacement. Normally, we have 2 priests, but due to circumstances beyond our pastors control we have been down to one priest for long periods of time during the last 3 yrs.

In addition to daily and Sunday masses, our parish has a nursery/preschool (infant - pre-K), a school (K-8), a cemetery, a mission church (no regularly scheduled masses due to too few priests), a small Catholic bookstore, RCIA classes (both for adults and unbaptized children 7 yrs old and older), religious education classes, adult education clases and Remembering Church classes. We serve multiple convalescence homes, a county jail, a juvenile hall and a hospital. You can see how with a tight weekend schedule along with the daily demands of managing our parish can burn out pastors.

Please pray that we will be able to build our 1200 seat church soon. This will allow us to cut the number of masses at least in half and increase the time between masses. This will help reduce the strain on the pastor and decrease the need for EMHC’s.
 
Really? Where is the “Communion in the hand” norm? Where is the EMHC norm? Where is the widely applied Communion under both kinds (see the examples provided in n. 55).
Here is a link to the document regarding EMHC’s.

Here is a link to the document explaining Communion under both kinds and in the hand.
 
Actually, Cesar is quite correct. Only a priest or deacon SHOULD be giving out Commuion, but certain lay people are ALLOWED to do it.

Note the difference.

If you are going to try and correct people, please get your terminology correct first.
So you are correcting Catholic90 for Ceasers inexact language? That doesn’t seem to right to me.
 
Yes, they are needed in ours. Our Sunday masses run between 1:10 and 1:20 WITH them. We average about 1000-1200 per mass.
Our daily mass does not use them, except for the school mass. That runs about 1:10 hours with a couple.

Good heavens, people. Worry about something important!
Amen! And we have that same amount. It would take another 1hr15 to get through that many people if it was only the priest. Yes, we should have EMHC. I can’t imagine not having them. I am going for a two hour training to be one myself.
 
So, let me get this right…

EXTRAordinary now means common practice to some … hence, don’t take away their perceived right to “help” the priest. Perhaps extraordinary really means allthetimeisordinary.

"Too long of a Mass…" is one of the first concerns of said group. That in itself says a lot. Afterall, the football game only is supposed to last 60 minutes

’priest will get tired…" just standing there and waiting for the next communicant… instead of using an altar rail where each communicant eagerly awaits the coming of the Lord.

"So many people receiving…" today, whereas in the “old days” lots of people stayed in their seats, recognizing that they were not worthy to receive at that time. Wow, perhaps the level of catachesis has greatly improved??

Oh well, I need to re-read the feeding of the 5000. Maybe I missed the part where the Apostles let some of the people on the grass do their job for them… or with them or whatever.

God Bless Benedict XVI

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So, let me get this right…

EXTRAordinary now means common practice to some … hence, don’t take away their perceived right to “help” the priest. Perhaps extraordinary really means allthetimeisordinary.

"Too long of a Mass…" is one of the first concerns of said group. That in itself says a lot. Afterall, the football game only is supposed to last 60 minutes

’priest will get tired…" just standing there and waiting for the next communicant… instead of using an altar rail where each communicant eagerly awaits the coming of the Lord.

"So many people receiving…" today, whereas in the “old days” lots of people stayed in their seats, recognizing that they were not worthy to receive at that time. Wow, perhaps the level of catachesis has greatly improved??

Oh well, I need to re-read the feeding of the 5000. Maybe I missed the part where the Apostles let some of the people on the grass do their job for them… or with them or whatever.

God Bless Benedict XVI

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As a Protestant, I had no issues with being at Church for up to three hours on Sunday. I go to daily Mass and I’m involved because I enjoy being at Church as much as possible. But I do see the need for the EMs in large parishes. Our Sunday Mass would be over 2 hrs long if we had only the priest giving communion. People are not going to want to sit for over 2 hours especially people with small children. Although I’m sure someone will come in here and claim that they have all their 8+ children sitting quietly during the TLM :rolleyes: Or what about people who work on Sunday, pilots, nurses, doctors? 🤷 I have a learning disabled daughter who suffers from epilepsy. She would have difficulty at a Mass over 2 hours long. It would be a strain on her.

Our parishes are very large now and we do not have enough priests so yes it has become more common.
 
Hello,
"Too long of a Mass…" is one of the first concerns of said group. That in itself says a lot. Afterall, the football game only is supposed to last 60 minutes.
This one always makes me laugh and cry. Try to shorten any ball game and people will feel robbed. And they’re always hoping it will go into overtime. Yet, how many pray for extra-innings at Mass?
 
Hello,

This one always makes me laugh and cry. Try to shorten any ball game and people will feel robbed. And they’re always hoping it will go into overtime. Yet, how many pray for extra-innings at Mass?
So you want a Mass where the largest amount of time is distributing Holy Communion?

Thats what would happen if EMHC’s were no longer allowed.

Jim
 
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