Should women be treated as equals

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Generally I agree, (I’m in High School now, but looking forward) while I would love a situation where I could earn enough money to take care of the family and (at that point) have my wife (given this is a hypothetical, I am presuming I get married at some point along the way for the sake of discussion) be able to stay home and care for them, there are a variety of factors involved. Often, in order to make that kind of money I would have to work exorbitant hours and wouldn’t be as available for my (again hypothetical family), and seeing as I plan on going into youth ministry (with potential of transitioning toward speaking), it is unrealistic to believe I could earn that kind of money, and so practically I would need my wife to also earn money to help pay the bills. This said, what the person may have been trying to argue (and as St. Thomas Aquinas shows us we should always try to take their words in the most generous manner (in their favor)), is that we need people to return to the traditional Catholic manner of having large families, and we need to return to having women fill in feminine roles like mothering, and men to fathering, and so to the extent that college education harms this (by delaying marriage, etc.) this is an issue that presents substantial problems, in part being responsible for today’s society of married people who don’t want children. This said, realistically, there is no issue, particularly if one is careful to avoid believing the lies in society.
 
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It’s not all about money. I know someone who got married and accepted a working-class life. I know someone who got married and who would not accept a working-class life. You see, there are people who have good lives based on a simple concept: “Be content with what you have.” Sure, more is good, but life is not a straight line and good choices need to be made.

There were no traditional large families when I was growing up. The average number of kids for miles around was 2, not 10. There were old people who were past their child-bearing years, and people who only had one child.
 
Michael_Anthony said:
Generally I agree, (I’m in High School now, but looking forward) while I would love a situation where I could earn enough money to take care of the family and (at that point) have my wife (given this is a hypothetical, I am presuming I get married at some point along the way for the sake of discussion) be able to stay home and care for them, there are a variety of factors involved. Often, in order to make that kind of money I would have to work exorbitant hours and wouldn’t be as available for my (again hypothetical family), and seeing as I plan on going into youth ministry (with potential of transitioning toward speaking), it is unrealistic to believe I could earn that kind of money, and so practically I would need my wife to also earn money to help pay the bills. This said, what the person may have been trying to argue (and as St. Thomas Aquinas shows us we should always try to take their words in the most generous manner (in their favor)), is that we need people to return to the traditional Catholic manner of having large families, and we need to return to having women fill in feminine roles like mothering, and men to fathering, and so to the extent that college education harms this (by delaying marriage, etc.) this is an issue that presents substantial problems, in part being responsible for today’s society of married people who don’t want children. This said, realistically, there is no issue, particularly if one is careful to avoid believing the lies in society.
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And what if a woman would rather be an astronomer or a business executive? Just how is it that you propose to send people back to their traditional roles, and what is to be done with those parents who refuse to abide by your view of the ideal society? Should I be punished because I encouraged my daughters to get an education? What happens if your daughter refuses to abide by your wishes? Shall society return to a time when women who sought careers or other vocations outside of your view of their purpose were heavily discouraged? And was that world really any better?

What you’re talking about isn’t merely promoting a traditional family. For it to work, you literally have to turn back the clock and start revoking political, legal and social rights for women.
 
“turn back the clock” Your last sentence is false. I understand the legal part but only up to a point. Let me be blunt. I’ll start at the mid-1960s.

No abortion.
No pills or patches for anyone.
No casual sex.
Fathers being held responsible.
Young men being taught what it means to be responsible. And what it means when a baby is on the way.

Go to now.org to see what I’m talking about. The world today, for men and women, is far, far worse than in 1965.
 
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The pill isn’t going away, and women aren’t going to give up their personal autonomy.

And again, what are we to do with women who want to be astronauts or prime ministers?
 
I encourage all men and women to read the online data sheets for the most popular contraceptives. They are not side-effect free.

Some women will still follow God’s plan, along with some men.
 
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You didn’t answer my question. What is your proposal for women who wish to be astronauts or Prime Ministers?
 
Like Margaret Thatcher or Theresa May? Considering the State religion in England, one wonders how this happened. For astronauts, somehow, in 1963, Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space.

I don’t think any turning back the clock is necessary but good, functional families that follow God’s plan are needed. Take Italy. Soon, the number of Italians will go down to low numbers. The end result of the false contraception mentality.
 
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Like Margaret Thatcher or Theresa May? Considering the State religion in England, one wonders how this happened. For astronauts, somehow, in 1963, Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space.

I don’t think any turning back the clock is necessary but good, functional families that follow God’s plan are needed. Take Italy. Soon, the number of Italians will go down to low numbers. The end result of the false contraception mentality.
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So do you approve of women being astronauts and prime ministers?
 
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Using the examples I gave, my approval was never required.
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Well yes, they’re examples. In the Soviet Union, at least on paper, women were emancipated after the Revolution. In the latter example, Thatcher was often treated pretty shabbily on her rise to the top of the party.

I’m not saying they need your approval, I’m saying in your worldview, in your ideal world as it were, would women be able to become astronauts or prime ministers.
 
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“turn back the clock” Your last sentence is false. I understand the legal part but only up to a point. Let me be blunt. I’ll start at the mid-1960s.

No abortion.
No pills or patches for anyone.
No casual sex.
Fathers being held responsible.
Young men being taught what it means to be responsible. And what it means when a baby is on the way.

Go to now.org to see what I’m talking about. The world today, for men and women, is far, far worse than in 1965.
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Other than the fact that the pill was not invented, none of these things are true about 1965, or probably any time in human history. No casual sex? Seriously? All fathers were great, and all sons raised properly?

You may feel that 1965 was a better time for you, but I don’t think most people would agree. The version of 1965 you apparently remember was not the experience of most folks.
 
The FDA approved The Pill in 1960. The version of Utopia I’m seeing here does not aspire to good and normal behavior. My start point of 1965 indicates when the promoters of corruption disguised as freedom began to appear in neighborhoods to spread their false gospel and goes up to the present.

The 1950s were not perfect but parents made sacrifices so their kids could go to Catholic schools. It was not perfect but they had their priorities straight. Nuns told us no sex until marriage and >most< of us listened. Again, not perfect but the best it could be. Today, it’s roll in the mud time. Lots of sex. No consequences. The CDC has the stats on the actual consequences.

I have plenty of data to back up what I’m saying. And since I was there, I saw and heard about the way other folks were living. Loose women, booze and drugs. Healthy? No. Good for the individual and others? No.
 
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edwest211 said:
I have plenty of data to back up what I’m saying. And since I was there, I saw and heard about the way other folks were living. Loose women, booze and drugs. Healthy? No. Good for the individual and others? No.
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Because none of that existed before the 1960s…
 
Radical organizations were started/founded and all had the same goals: destroy the family, destroy male-female relationships, and provide an alternative to Christianity. Convince Catholic institutions of higher education to cut their ties with the Church, which allowed them to turn into the same thing going on in non-Catholic Universities. The “golden age” of Catholic dissent was ready to launch, but it was all based on deception and falsehoods.

After Pope Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae, “an event unprecedented in the history of the church” occurred. Obviously that assault was ready and executed within 24 hours.
 
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Because none of that existed before the 1960s…
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I wouldn’t have believed that at all. But, this is the Internet, so it must be true.
Obviously, my dad was fibbing when told me Catholic girls were sent away to special schools when they got pregnant out of wedlock.
 
Your dad told the truth. I was shown one of those places and learned why it was there. Yes, Catholics taking care of other Catholics in trouble. A practical way to deal with problems.
 
I can’t see any reason why a woman, or a man, should not seek as much education as possible.
 
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