Should women be treated as equals

[jlc2k2]

I’m thinking more of when you are meeting someone without a formal introduction but who should still be addressed by last name. Specifically, I always stress when meeting my children’s teachers about how to address them. There’s no formal introduction and I would never dream of walking up to them and saying “hi, Sarah”.

So in that situation, do you just assume one way or the other?

 

[Lea101]

Because I am content with Mr. and Mrs. Those two titles have always represented husband and wife.

No, Mr was/is also used for single men. Mr in itself never represented husband. Only when they’re together and if the same last name was used ‘Mr and Mrs Smith’. Mr is basically just an umbrella term for men.
Mrs would be specific to wives.

. Mostly, though, I don’t fight for it because I don’t look over to men and desire what men have.

Because you’re already content with your life, which is your perogative. A woman in Iran wouldn’t be selfish if she looks over at a guy and covets his freedom to show his head. On a more closer level, your fellow American (?) sister with a different personality and values may be really unhappy with something you aren’t. That’s life! We are all not going to want the same things.

I would also say that if feminists felt that it was wrong for a man to have just the title Mr. and felt it was unfair to women, why did feminists not ask for a new title for men? It would be better to correct something you feel is wrong rather than do the same thing.

? They didn’t see Mr as wrong. They saw Mrs and Miss as wrong, so they corrected that. I mean…i have been saying that they wanted a neutral term the whole time because of the irrelevancy of their martial status at work/etc.

Lastly, I also realize that life is not always fair, equal or evenly divided.

A slave wouldn’t shrug and say that life is unfair, oh well, better get back out on the fields. A women’s activist in Iran wouldn’t say that as well.

Such sentiment only applies to women who are comfortable with their lives. And fair enough. But not every women likes the same treatment as you do, and it’s their right to have their voices heard. Just like how it’s your right to not participate in causes you don’t believe in.

 

[jlc2k2]

It’s respectful to ask people their marital status or to assume it? Good to know.

 

[edwest211]

That’s just you. And only you

 

[Lea101]

To an older lady?

 

[Lea101]

Sir is odd here. Older people use this to address teachers etc back then but I guess now men would like to be addressed by names so Mister it is.

With the exception of the military, young people use sir in a very, very inappropriate context.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Good grief. The last time I heard that was over 50 years ago.

Sorry, but he says it very pleasant and cheerful and people respond cheerfully back and he was just a baby around 50 years ago so I guess it shows good manners do not have any experiation date on them.

So in that situation, do you just assume one way or the other?

My father always stressed not making assumptions, so if I do not know I don’t choose one or the other but let that person introduce themselves. Most teachers in the past would use either Miss or Mrs., today most of them use Miss.

A slave wouldn’t shrug and say that life is unfair, oh well, better get back out on the fields. A women’s activist in Iran wouldn’t say that as well.

Most of the feminist movement came out of America not out of Iran. Iran and other extreme countries would include more involved conversation.

But not every women likes the same treatment as you do, and it’s their right to have their voices heard. Just like how it’s your right to not participate in causes you don’t believe in.

yes, so as I said earlier, we will just have to agree to disagree here.

 

[edwest211]

“good manners” around other people? I’m all for it.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

Good grief. The last time I heard that was over 50 years ago.

Sorry, but he says it very pleasant and cheerful and people respond cheerfully back and he was just a baby around 50 years ago so I guess it shows good manners do not have any experiation date on them.

I’m sure you think that. Some parts of the world think it’s quaint.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I’m sure you think that. Some parts of the world think it’s quaint.

That is probably true but where we are it is considered good manners. In many parts of the southern U.S. you always hear Sir and Ma’am.from both men and women. It is considered good manners.

Quaint definition , having an old-fashioned attractiveness or charm

 

[Lea101]

Most of the feminist movement came out of America not out of Iran. That would include more involved conversation.

I was showing you an example of how such a response isn’t that relevant. They were women then who were totally okay with not voting, or being unable to get a credit card without their husband’s signature. But most traditional women now would want these things. The women fighting for all of these things weren’t ungrateful for correcting these things for people like yourself.

Traditional women (including my mother who was a doormat to my father) didn’t mind Ms because of it’s practicality

Feel free to disagree or whatever you want, just don’t go around saying stuff like how women who want and use these terms want disunity ‘unlike you’. You can choose not to take on a term for your own reason, but it doesn’t mean that your choice is better or worse.

I personally have no problems with being called Ms or Mrs as of now, but I’m not going to judge some sort of uncharitable intent from those that do, tbh.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

I’m sure you think that. Some parts of the world think it’s quaint.

That is probably true but where we are it is considered good manners. In many parts of the southern U.S. you always hear Sir and Mam. from both men and women. It is considered good manners.

Quaint definition , having an old-fashioned attractiveness or charm

You’re right. I did find myself referring to a woman of any age as ma’am when in the South. It took me ages to drop ‘y’all’ from my way of speaking.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

just don’t go around saying stuff like how women who want and use these terms want disunity

I’m not going to judge some sort of uncharitable intent from those that do, tbh.

I am not judging any one’s intent and I am not saying things I haven’t heard. It is not just a personal opinion, it is what I learned as a young woman from the feminist movement of the 70’s and 80’s.

God bless.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

You’re right. I did find myself referring to a woman of any age as ma’am when in the South. It took me ages to drop ‘y’all’ from my way of speaking.

I don’t live in the south, so we do not say y’all but I hope that no matter what part of the country we live in we choose to use politeness, courtesy and manners.

God bless.

 

[Pattylt]

The feminist movement is constantly comparing itself with what men have, a looking around rather than seeing the good that women have been graced with, so to me the title Ms implies, give me what they have because I am not happy with what I’ve got.

I think you read much more into using Ms. than needed. Did some proclaim this? Yeah, sure.

However, I was very happy to be able to use Ms. as a single and then as married because it wasn’t anyone else’s business what my marital status was…just like Mr. In certain job applications, it was very important. I never felt like I was joining the feminist movement, trying to be a man or whatever. I was just declaring that my marital status shouldn’t matter in the public view.

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

There are so many people who seem to be intimidated by educated women.
I find nothing more stimulating than a conversation with a well-educated woman or man.
Though I oft times lose any debate that I have with them, I walk away knowing I was out debated by a smart, articulate person. That makes me feel, a little better.

 

[Irishmom2]

Bradskii:

You’re right. I did find myself referring to a woman of any age as ma’am when in the South. It took me ages to drop ‘y’all’ from my way of speaking.

I don’t live in the south, so we do not say y’all but I hope that no matter what part of the country we live in we choose to use politeness, courtesy and manners.

God bless.

Wow, I don’t know who that was intended for. Not sure why you felt the need to remind people to choose politeness, courtesy and manners.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Not sure why you felt the need to remind people to choose politeness, courtesy and manners.

I understand. Sometimes it is hard for me to catch up on conversations here also. We were discussing titles and the use of sir and ma,am being used in the south as politeness. I wasn’t dictating to anyone to be polite.

God bless

 

[Irishmom2]

I did not just jump into the discussion. I have been reading all of the posts. I know what was being discussed and I found your comment to be a little strange considering the discussion had been about titles such as Mr, Mrs, and yes, even the southern ma’am and sir option.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

And if you are talking to someone (like your child’s teacher) and are not aware of their marital status, it’s a lot more polite to say Ms. Smith than to ask the completely irrelevant question of “are you married”.

Or if you are in certain parts of the south you might refer to every woman as “Miss” just ‘cause…