As funny as I think it might be to accuse Catholic libertarians of apostasizing to a false religion, no.
Should liberalism/progressivism/modernism/relativism/emotionalism be considered a word?
“The Catholic-bashers have had their say. It’s time to reply: A confirmed atheist complains that media attacks on Catholicism are all too often exaggerated, distorted and inaccurate” by Brendan O’Neill
Hi Missluckie: You are very much accepted. I don’t suspect that your form of atheism (no God) is all that different than my form of Christianity (all things are God). Same thing when you think about it really. Rather than being made by some cosmic watchmaker, we are instead the living manifestation of that which causes the world to be. Our purpose is then simply experience. Everything that we hold to have meaning in life has to do with experience - love, happiness, sorrow, anguish, joy, sight, sound, touch. It’s all about experience. We are the means by which God comes to know itself. When I said atheism was a religion, what I really mean is that it’s a belief system with dogmas. The dogma is reductionist materialism. The idea that consciousness and beings with consciousness arise from conscious-less matter. Conversely, I think the two may actually cause each other, and matter and consciousness would therefore be co-dependent. When I say atheism is a belief system, it’s not an insult. It’s a belief in no God. I believe that everything is God coming to know God through what God makes. All potentials are seen in the Source. The source is then seen in all outcomes, as is demonstrated mathematically in the Mandelbrot Fractal:ps. The Hokey Pokey is totally what it’s all about
By the way, what I believe or what you don’t believe is just mental chatter. Our purpose is simply to be alive.
A liberal would call me “conservative”, and although I don’t have a fire arm myself (yet) I wouldn’t be for taking away the right of a law abiding citizen to own one.
They are indeed both things at once, which makes them only potentials. Until consciousness
I disagree other than opposing SS marriage and opposing abortion I am not conservative at all, at least as I understand it to be.
There are two kinds of conservatives. One kind is called a social conservative, and the other is called a fiscal conservative. Social conservatives are the ones who fight for traditional marriage and the right to life of everyone including children in the womb. But fiscal conservatives are liberals who vote their wallet. I think that Social Darwinism is more in line with liberalism since it’s consistent with the left-wing agenda of eugenics through abortion and euthanasia of the poor, the sick, and the elderly. For example, I remember how liberals called for the murder of Terri Schindler Schiavo while conservatives fought for her right to life.
The observer effect has nothing to do with consciousness of the observer - only that measurement is taking place.
That would be very true if my consciousness were only able to look a result and not see the implications. If you want to start a thread on it I’ll join you and we’ll discuss it.
All the stuff you just mentioned really did exist, Both in the US and the UK. Charles Dickens wrote many stories about it.
Yes, like how Christmas is just another excuse to pick a man’s pocket, Cratchit. " Are there no workhouses?"
-What measurement is taking place without an observer taking the measurement?
Good answer.
You are sidestepping the questions I asked. What justifies you, to feel you are entitled to take someone else’s money?
Before you think you can cast aspersions on me I will let you know I personally help feed a family with MY OWN money. Not anyone else’s. I also from time to time meet the needs of people. Over 10% (pretax) of my income each year goes to church and these endeavors. So please don’t lecture me on the marvels of Liberalism because Liberalism produces nothing itself. It can only take from others who actually earned it.
You cited the observer effect on photons - it has a specific meaning in the realm of physics. The observer doesn’t have to be conscious - the act of measuring determines the outcome, as measuring is an interaction. There need not be any intellect behind the measuring - you can prove this by video taping the experiment and asking many people to view the resulting video. All people will agree to the outcome, not at 50/50 split.
I have an idea that I think you might like. I like it because it gives me what I want while giving you what you want. Win/win. It’s called a virtual citizenship. Under my plan, each person would declare themselves either a Conservative or a Liberal. For liberals like me, the government issues a “Liberal Card” which means I pay taxes. People like you get a “Conservative Card” and you don’t pay taxes. None whatsoever. No state, no federal, no local or anything. Under my plan, people like yourself wouldn’t even have to pay social security tax either. In such a world, Liberals like me can drive on the roads we built with our tax money for free, have our trash picked up for free, we can call the fire department when we need them, and our children can attend public schools for free because of our tax contributions. Conservatives like you would pay by the drink. Telemetry from your odometer would tell how much to charge you for how many miles you drove on my roads each month and send you a bill you for trash pickup. As a member of the Liberal plan, my kids can attend public universities at in-state rates, and you would pay out of state rates wherever you go, which is no problem because you would be so much better off on your own than liberals like me who pay taxes. Under this plan, whenever conservatives want start another war somewhere, you can get out your assault rifles that are guaranteed under the Constitution, put on your coonskin hats and go settle the score yourselves, because the military would belong to the tax paying liberals. And you can learn yer younginn’s at home unless you want to pay $1,200 dollars a month to attend the public schools that my tax money built. Or you can pay to send them to a private school, but without a tax voucher because you wouldn’t be paying taxes. You can pay a private fire department when your house catches on fire (God forbid that should happen). If a liberal loses their job, we would get unemployment and food stamps. Conservatives like yourself could appeal to those charities that you give 10% to each year, and maybe they’ll drop off a bag of groceries at your makeshift home on the corner of 134th and Lenox. Or maybe they’ll let you sleep in a church basement. And when you do find a job, you are free to work for less than minimum wages at whatever terms you can work out on your own, because the Federal Labor Laws wouldn’t apply to you. You are free do do as you like, unfettered by us bleeding heart liberals. When I retire I will get Medicare and Social Security, and conservatives like yourself will simply live off of your hard earned money that you kept for yourself all your life, and you would buy your aging and sick self health insurance in an open, unregulated market. And that’s the part I like best. I like the old or sick conservative trying to buy health insurance on an unregulated market best, because it leads to the next part: In twenty years, everyone would have a liberal card, and no one would be left carrying a conservative card. Why? It’s how evolution always works.
Thanks Edumndus.