Slavery Rampant in Africa, Middle East; The West Wrongly Accuses Itself

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VonDerTann said:
Since the 1960s hundreds of millions of $ have been spent on the projects you speak of. Huge portions of those sums have been essentially slush funds: I’ve seen estimates that if a community center costs $1 million, the grant is $3-4 million and the overage is essentially gravy for the developer. I’m actually looking around for a cite and will post it if I can. So although I’m sure your idea sounds laudable, it breaks down on the rocks of urban democrats’ “way of doing things.”
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Saying that it is done wastefully is not the same thing as saying that a rec center would not help - even one that was built wastefully. It is better than the empty lot or abandoned crack house that it replaced.
 
The “defund police!”-concept breaks down on the rocks of reality when scrutinized.

One Portland protest against the police actually requested the police be present, essentially to keep them safe!

Further, pols in places like San Francisco do in fact want to send social workers to domestic violence calls. Now, here’s one: what will happen when unarmed social workers request police escorts on such calls (because they will)?

The “defund police!”-crew have no answer for these.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The defund proposals all include spending the same amount of money, but differently.
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So who are you going to call when your house is being broken into? A social worker? Al Sharpton?
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With more community development opportunities, like the rec centers and help for locally-owned business, it is less likely that you will have to face that prospect, because their will be so many more alternatives to crime.
VonDerTann said:
The “defund police!”-concept breaks down on the rocks of reality when scrutinized.

One Portland protest against the police actually requested the police be present, essentially to keep them safe!
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If the police were not such a problem, there would have been no need for that protest in the first place, and therefore no need for police protection.
Further, pols in places like San Francisco do in fact want to send social workers to domestic violence calls.
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How about a policeman trained as a social worker?
Now, here’s one: what will happen when unarmed social workers request police escorts on such calls (because they will)?
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Then then will get it. The defund proposals do not generally call for the elimination of all police. They call for a reorienting of the mission as one of public safety rather than the militarized mission many of the police are trained for now.
 
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By and large, the police aren’t a problem in this country.
 
There’s always alternatives to crime - but to paraphrase St Augustine, some criminals do wrong just because they can. I know the proposed “remedy” of “Defunding the police;” “reorienting them,” etc., will only make things worse.
In fact that has already happened: in cities trying to curtail traditional policing, crime is spiking.
 
VonDerTann said:
By and large, the police aren’t a problem in this country.
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Apparently you have not experienced what the black community has experienced, because they say otherwise.
VonDerTann said:
There’s always alternatives to crime - but to paraphrase St Augustine, some criminals do wrong just because they can.
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How many are those “some” that will do wrong regardless of any measures taken to reduce the incentive? Very few, I think.
I know the proposed “remedy” of “Defunding the police;” “reorienting them,” etc., will only make things worse.
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You don’t know that. You believe it. There is a big difference. The experience of Camden NJ suggests otherwise.
In fact that has already happened: in cities trying to curtail traditional policing, crime is spiking.
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Perhaps. That is not the kind of reform that is being proposed.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If the police were not such a problem, there would have been no need for that protest in the first place, and therefore no need for police protection.
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Huh? Not sure what that means.

According to left-leaning Washington Post, there were 25 unarmed whites and only 15 unarmed blacks killed by police in 2019. Not exactly “systemic racism.”
 
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If the police were not such a problem, there would have been no need for that protest in the first place, and therefore no need for police protection.
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Huh? Not sure what that means.

According to left-leaning Washington Post, there were 25 unarmed whites and only 15 unarmed blacks killed by police in 2019. Not exactly “systemic racism.”
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Those very statistics show systemic racism. You have posted them before, and I explained why before and you ignored my explanation and posted the same thing again. I guess all I can do is explain it again: The black population is 13%, so if there were no racism the unarmed blacks killed by police would be 13% of the total number of unarmed people killed by police. Do the math: 15 / (15+25) = 0.375 = 37%. So blacks are being killed at almost three times the rate that would be expected. That is systemic racism. Now please don’t post those stats again which don’t even support your point.
 
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That is systemic racism
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You have posted a similar reply before, but evidently you didn’t read my reply, so I’ll explain, again:

According to the FBI’s 2018 Uniform Crime reporting, of the 11,514 homicide offenders whose race is known, a whopping 55 percent were black, 42 percent white, and three percent other. Though black people make up only 12 percent of the population, they composed 53 percent of all murder victims in cases where the identity of the victim was known and reported. In cases where the race of both the victim and offender was known, a staggering 88.9 percent of black homicide victims were murdered by black offenders.

Hence, more encounters with the police.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/can-incarceration-rates-racist-reflect-actual-crime-rates/

So, please don’t post your reply, again, unless you want to risk my taking the time to debunk your statement, again.
 
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But many things other than “systemic racism” (a total myth) CAN explain it. Age? Theatening behavior by the victims? You’re just assuming the conclusion (racism!)

Further, are you at all troubled that in none of these shootings of blacks or whites, you don’t know the cop’s race? You’re just assuming cops are always white (which is itself a form a racism you’re guilty of! Ironic, isn’t it?)
 
Michael Brown was unarmed but nobody can seriously dispute that his shooting was justified.
 
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But many things other than “systemic racism” (a total myth) CAN explain it.
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No there are not.
Further, are you at all troubled that in none of these shootings of blacks or whites, you don’t know the cop’s race?
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No, it is an irrelevant statistics. Even if black cops are involved in shooting blacks, it is still the system that produces them, regardless of the race of the cop. I never assumed the cops were all white. That you would think so shows you don’t really understand what systemic racism is.
 
No, I understand what it means, I just reject the concept.

The point is that just because the suspect was unarmed does not by itself prove that the shooting was justified or unjustified.
 
WingedHussar said:
No, I understand what it means, I just reject the concept.

The point is that just because the suspect was unarmed does not by itself prove that the shooting was justified or unjustified.
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You still are missing the point. Not every shooting needs to be unjustified. So what you are saying does not refute systemic racism.
 
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