Slavery Rampant in Africa, Middle East; The West Wrongly Accuses Itself

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“Just google it,” is a sign that you have nothing. Frankly nobody should engage in discussions about systemic racism until you prove that it exists.
 
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You know, I’m open to the idea. But I have to admit I’ve seen some good critiques of the concept. I have yet to be convinced.
 
So blacks ONLY get shot by “systemic racism,” regardless of the race of shooter, and ALL OTHER FACTORS are irrelevant? It’s totally irrelevant if a black guy, say,pulls a toy gun on a black cop, and gets shot – to Leaf, that was still systemic racism?

I’ve come to this board for 10 years. Your post is one of the most factually-unsupported I have ever seen.

I’m going to go over and debate on a protestant board - they’re much more well reasoned over there.
 
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Simply comparing the numbers does not help us. For instance, do those numbers take into account the fact that 6’ 4" male officer weighing in at 230 lbs might be less threatened by a Michael Brown type than a 5’ 1" female officer who weighs 100 lbs soaking wet?
 
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No the numbers aren’t really a help at all. I’ve looked over articles, studies, etc. A lot of it seems to be socialistic in its presumptions. For instance, to take one aspect of the issue, in a relatively free market black communities tend to be more impoverished than others. Therefore, racism. But that ignores a whole host of issues and takes assumptions for granted.
 
WingedHussar said:
“Just google it,” is a sign that you have nothing. Frankly nobody should engage in discussions about systemic racism until you prove that it exists.
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Since you have yet to acknowledge the errors you made in understanding what systemic racism is, there is no point in citing supporting data.
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So blacks ONLY get shot by “systemic racism,”
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Since I never said or even implied that, nothing else you say after that can be of any consequence.
regardless of the race of shooter , and ALL OTHER FACTORS are irrelevant ?
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Other factors that relate to systemic racism are relevant. The race of the cop is not one of those factors.
It’s totally irrelevant if a black guy, say,pulls a toy gun on a black suspect, and gets shot – to Leaf, that was still systemic racism?
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The “guy” who pulls the gun is an individual - not part of a system. So of course that is not systemic racism. But when a cops who have been trained by the system shoot black people more than is justified, that is systemic. It is a statistic, not an anecdote.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Since you have yet to acknowledge the errors you made in understanding what systemic racism is, there is no point in citing supporting data.
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Except I made no errors. You just assumed, just like you assume that systemic racism exists.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Since you have yet to acknowledge the errors you made in understanding what systemic racism is, there is no point in citing supporting data.
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Except I made no errors. You just assumed, just like you assume that systemic racism exists.
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I’m not referring to whether systemic racism exists. I am referring to the understanding of what sort of data would or would not indicate systemic racism. Until you can understand that, there is no point in citing the data. You will just say it doesn’t prove system racism.
 
You have yet to provide any data.

You made a claim about police shooting unarmed suspects. I pointed out that simply being unarmed by itself does not render a particular shooting justified or unjustified. Therefore it is not a useful metric for making any sort of claim about law enforcement.
 
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I’m waiting for data as well. As I said I’m open to the idea, but have yet to be convinced.
 
All this does is simply point to a difference in numbers and assume systemic racism is the problem.

 
Thank you for the link.

Personally, what I see there doesn’t scream systemic racism to me. Sure, there seem to be bits of racism here and there in the article — the bit about whitening your name sounds racist — but other bits about education, crime rates, etc seems more culturally based than anything.
 
See? That’s what I mean. There is no point in citing data that indicates systemic racism if you are going simply deny that it is racism. It makes me wonder what systemic racism means to you, because if we are not even agreed on the definition of the term and what would indicate it, there is no hope for dialog.
 
Some of the data doesn’t scream racism to me. It screams cultural.

Quite a bit of it says difference of outcomes are evidence of racism which seems quite absurd to me.
 
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Why is systemic racism a better explanation than free will, cultural differences, or racial differences?
 
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And when did they first acquire this “cultural” difference?
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If you’re talking growth in black communities consult the work of Thomas Sowell. The welfare state did a lot to stop the progress.
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You are the one who brought up cultural differences, so the question is what cultural differences you are talking about?

When did the welfare state specifically target blacks? It targeted the poor, regardless of their race. So it could not possibly be responsible for racial differences.
 
You are confusing several different topics.

The welfare state did indeed create cultural differences in black communities. Again, Thomas Sowell. If you have a strong stomach read Losing Ground by Charles Murray.
 
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