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Stephen_C
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How about removing the wall funding from the equation. Get the Government funded and open again. Then pass a bill giving path to citizenship for Dreamers. And start the Wall debate.
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grotto
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I haven’t seen any of the people you say worked for him. He probably had many different types of people working due to the massive construction business he had. I remember he built a casino in Atlantic City and after a few years sold it. I thought that was a good move on his part because the casino business addictive gambling is like using drugs. There were other casinos still operating and the downward spiral of successful tourism happened as a result.
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Boatswain2PA
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We’ve done that 3 times in the past…and never gotten border security.
Border security has to come WITH it this time, not a promise for later.
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grotto
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Isn’t it amazing how one can view another. “To each his own” and in the case of Donald J. Trump, the American voters chose him to be our President. I admire President Trump as a good and strong man that has, as he has sworn to do, protect and defend the United States of America and he works harder than anyone. He is pro-life 100% - he prays with others and privately - he has converted his personal life and is a loving husband, father and grandfather. President Trump is smart, formally educated and self educated. He has amassed a financial fortune through business and is generous. His devoted appreciation and concern for our military men and women is beyond doubt and they know it. Therefore, I do reject your post that “he really is a puppet…etc., etc.”
I voted for him and intend to do so in 2020!
I voted for him and intend to do so in 2020!
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ChuckB
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All political ideas aside, yes, it is amazing how we can have different views of another. Your view of Trump is just about the exact opposite of mine. You view him as a “good and strong man” whereas I see him as a despicable individual with practically no redeeming qualities. Yet, I suspect that we both want nothing but the best for our country. But, as you observed:
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exnihilo
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I agree. It’s over.
As I said this would be I think at least the third amnesty where they promise this time they’ll actually start enforcing immigration law. Why would I think they actually would this time. If the government was serious about enforcing immigration law they wouldn’t start off by ignoring it.
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Boatswain2PA
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I think this highlights a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. I’m a deep conservative and disagreed with virtually every political position that President Obama had. Yet I thought he was a good (but of course flawed) man. I hated his policy, not the person.
Liberals, and especially the leftists in the media, have such a vitriolic hatred of President Trump THE PERSON that their hatred carrys over to any policy he tries to implement. They hate the PERSON, so therefore must hate the lolicies.
They do the same with any Republican President. President Bush senior was considered an evil racist warmonger…until he was out of power and became an ‘elder statesman’. Bush Junior was commonly referred to as low functioning (or ‘stupid’) and “cowardly” by the leftist media while in office, but now they highlight his disagreement with Trump as being brilliant.
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Rhubarb
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It’s because what is despicable about Trump goes beyond just his policy. I understand why conservatives give him the pass on his policy. But I don’t understand why they are so blind to his behavior. This is not the behavior of a conservative.
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ProVobis
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Would Coulter and Limbaugh agree to this?
Are these people forbidden to provide their views? I mean, Obama had some rather extreme characters visit the White House.ChuckB:
Definitely. So who is the real boss is America?Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity?
I’m just thankful that people such as Limbaugh, Shapiro and the like are there to balance the DNC mouthpiece known as the MSM.
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EricF
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Hey now! I have seen Limbaugh declared a “national treasure” on this very site. Which is preposterous.
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FirstFiveEighth
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I think that’s debatable. Ideally, from the conservative perspective, we could fund a wall and border security and deport hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants and we would stop the chain of always giving amnesty. But if we are going to be realistic about this, some form of compromise has to happen to get some form of border security, or else a complete capitulation has to happen where we get zero border security. I think Trump has made a decent compromise offer considering the circumstances. He has prioritized building a wall to keep our future illegal immigrants and drug runners over deporting illegal immigrants already here. What would you offer instead? No wall for deportation? Serious question as I think there can be several different approaches/offers.
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exnihilo
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Sorry, I just don’t get that. As I said a bunch of previous compromises were made. Amnesty was given because we were finally going to crack down on illegals. All that did happen was a bunch of illegals got amnesty.
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FirstFiveEighth
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Lol. The government is shutdown BECAUSE the house refuses to fund any kind of border security. This was the case before the shutdown. It is the case during the shutdown. Why should we believe it suddenly won’t be the case after the shutdown?
No, that is a silly, irrelevant taking point of Pelosi and Schumer’s so that they can pretend to put the continued shutdown at Trump’s feet and keep the furloughed workers in the news instead of their refusal to negotiate in the news.
No, that is a silly, irrelevant taking point of Pelosi and Schumer’s so that they can pretend to put the continued shutdown at Trump’s feet and keep the furloughed workers in the news instead of their refusal to negotiate in the news.
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FOG
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I agree, which puts any confidence in what he proclaims to be his beliefs questionable. He has, time and time again not only proven to be dishonest, but to blatantly lie…so much, that I can’t believe his shift from one time abortion supporter to the pro-life side is nothing more than his attempt at saying what he thinks the few supporters he has wants to hear.
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FOG
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LOL…great story, bro!
Trump said he would proudly shut down the government if he didn’t get his way.
That huge balloon of him in diapers somehow makes sense to me know…he has stomped his feet, slammed the door, and held his breath not for Making America Great Again, but for massaging his own ego.
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FirstFiveEighth
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So are you arguing that the government is shutdown over some other issue other than border security funding? What other issue is this?
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FirstFiveEighth
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You are obfuscating. The wall is border security, as is the other funding for more judges, more officers, etc, listed in Trump’s proposal. The shutdown occurred because of disagreements over a wall and expanded border control measures. Not because of some random issue like the department of education.
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