So Much For Trump's Latest Proposal

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The wall is border security,
except for that part about the portion of the wall already existing being useless by a few guys with shovels…LOL

unless this FOX News report is another example of FAKE NEWS?

 
Okay, are you pro-life or not?

What have you done for the pro-life movement?

Have you ever voted for pro-abortion candidates like Obama? Hillary Clinton? Democrats in general? Let’s compare if you are so quick to judge others.
1 Yes…am pro-life
2 Have adopted a child abandoned at birth
3 with all charity and due respect, its done of your business

But, thanks for asking.
 
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Yes…am pro-life
2 Have adopted a child abandoned at birth
3 with all charity and due respect, its done of your business

But, thanks for asking.
Sorry, you made it my business with the rather unkind attacks on the president and you seemed to make it everyone’s business with such statements as ‘babies are made out of love’ and such.

Now, a simple yes or no will do. Have you ever voted for politicians who are pro-choice? Who enable abortion? I will take a non-answer as meaning it is likely. Then your criticisms of the president should be considered.
 
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Well let’s just get rid of ICE, get rid of border patrol, get rid of immigration courts, get rid of everything. Because a lot of illegal immigrants have crossed the border and didn’t get caught so all of it is useless. That’ll be productive.
 
Well let’s just get rid of ICE, get rid of border patrol, get rid of immigration courts, get rid of everything. Because a lot of illegal immigrants have crossed the border and didn’t get caught so all of it is useless. That’ll be productive.
Take a breath…You’re being just a tad hysterical…no budget proposal by Congress has included defunding ICE, the border patrol, or immigration courts.

The proposals have only been to stand against a wall, which is little more than something Trump desperately needs to ensure even a scrap of a legacy.
 
Well let’s just get rid of ICE, get rid of border patrol, get rid of immigration courts, get rid of everything. Because a lot of illegal immigrants have crossed the border and didn’t get caught so all of it is useless. That’ll be productive.
The Democrat Party platform. 😉
 
I’m not being hysterical, I’m carrying out your argument to other elements of border control. If we should not build a wall because a few people were able to tunnel under it, then why should we fund a border patrol when more people are able to evade them. The point is, that is a silly reason to totally abandon a security measure when it does in fact yield positive results the majority of the time.

Moreover, a large number of Democratic Party members actually made it part of their election campaign promises to completely eliminate the entire Immigration and Customs Enforcement department because…reasons. I’m not the one being irrational here.
 
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Well, gosh. That’s such a persuasive argument.
Actually, it isn’t.
It’s not an argument. It’s fact. It is of consequence.
Which means he’s turned into a politician, just like his predecessor.
 
Make it green card for dreamers and TPS to and not three years of amnesty, and maybe the democrats will go for it. That’s the logical counter offerr
Yeah, that would be OK. It could be better, but it’s OK.

One thing though: “amnesty” = “Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.” Tell me how a one-year-old baby is guilty of an “offense” because his mother crossed the border with him? Why does he need “forgiveness”?
 
I’m glad that I’m not senile–I THOUGHT that back in the Old Days when I was young, everyone called Pres. Bush (Sr.) an evil racist, but then when he died and everyone was admiring him and all the Democrats were praising him–I figured that my memory is just aging and unreliable.

And i remember that Pres. Bush (younger) was considered a dolt by so many people, but during the funeral, everyone was praising him for his reasonableness–so then I figured, yes, I am definitely due to retire sooner rather than later before I start forgetting how to go to the bathroom.

But your post has made me feel much better about my memory!

I do accept that people can change their mind, and I wish more people would do so. I certainly was disappointed when Donald Trump took the lead over so many Republican candidates that I had always admired. I wondered just how capable he was, although when I saw how he dismantled people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, I couldn’t help but think that he had the guts to do the job. I never dreamed he would beat Secy. of State Clinton and I spent the week before the election in a dark haze of gloom, wondering what would happen to the U.S. when Secy. Clinton moved into the White House as President. I am not exaggerating–I was tearful and sleepless during that week, and sick at heart knowing what she stood for.

So I was over the moon when she was beaten. I really wouldn’t have minded who beat her–I was just glad she didn’t win. We would be living a nightmare now.

Honestly, all of you who hate Pres. Trump’s policies–do you think you would have been pleased with Pres. H. Clinton? Really? Really??!
 
Honestly, all of you who hate Pres. Trump’s policies–do you think you would have been pleased with Pres. H. Clinton?
No. I could never have voted for Hillary in a million years. And yes, I hate Trump’s policies. The last election was a choice between Satan and the Devil.
 
Tell me how a one-year-old baby is guilty of an “offense” because his mother crossed the border with him? Why does he need “forgiveness”?
Because technically they broke the law. But of course bear no responsibility, so deserve legal forgiveness.

The Democrat party leadership used to care about this. Now all they care about is resisting Trump.
 
The Democrat party leadership used to care about this.
Why do you thin it deons’t now. Trump did not put that on the table. He specifically repudiated any suggestion that he has.
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