Socialized healthcare

[LCMS_No_More]

except that your talking as much to people who are self-sufficient as those who aren’t, and chastising them for not working long enough, doing enough. It’s normal to want to do other things than work.

The either/or thinking that the poster you’re responding to is indicative of a protestant mindset. It’s possible for their to be third or fourth or even a both/and option, but it’s completely foreign to the protestant mindset this poster obviously employs.

 

[BamaRider]

LCMS sez-

The either/or thinking that the poster you’re responding to is indicative of a protestant mindset. It’s possible for their to be third or fourth or even a both/and option, but it’s completely foreign to the protestant mindset this poster obviously employs.

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:ehh:

Does this mean Vern is thinkin like a Prostetant? Is that bad or good?

 

[cynic]

I guess in vern’s ideal world there wouldn’t be any restaurants, movie theatres or sports facilities etc. They’d all go out of business, as everyone would be in the workplace till 11:00 pm, 7 days.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I guess in vern’s ideal world there wouldn’t be any restaurants, movie theatres or sports facilities etc. They’d all go out of business, as everyone would be in the workplace till 11:00 pm, 7 days.

You have a very limited understanding of economics, don’t youi?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

LCMS sez-

:ehh:

Does this mean Vern is thinkin like a Prostetant? Is that bad or good?

Very good observation! To answer your second question, considering protestantism is a formal heresy, I’ll leave that to you to figure out. Don’t hurt yourself in the attempt.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

LCMS sez-

:ehh:

Does this mean Vern is thinkin like a Prostetant? Is that bad or good?

I would say yes to the first question. It’s sheer nonsense what he said about there are only “two kinds of people.”

And considering we are Catholics, not Protestants and that the Catholic Church has formally condemned protestism as a heresy, I think it would be bad thing.

I was talking to a friend about this stuff last night and we both agreed that working 70-80 hours a week is indicative of a couple of things: First, spending time with family is a low priority and second, an obvious lack of post-secondary education in a useful area. If you have to work 70-80 hours a week to provide for your family, your skill set is not very valuable…perhaps going back to school and getting a college degree in something that has value would be useful.

It’s for that very reason that, while I don’t have a family and never will due to my lack of vocation to married life, I have gone back to school in order to obtain a Civil Engineering degree.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I would say yes to the first question. It’s sheer nonsense what he said about there are only “two kinds of people.”[/quiote]
You don’t think there are two kinds of people?
LCMS_No_More;3514491:

And considering we are Catholics, not Protestants and that the Catholic Church has formally condemned protestism as a heresy, I think it would be bad thing.

Saying, “there are two kinds of people” is protestantism?

I was talking to a friend about this stuff last night and we both agreed that working 70-80 hours a week is indicative of a couple of things:

Ah. *** I*** was talking to a couple of meth addicts and they said that not taking meth is indicative of being uncool.

First, spending time with family is a low priority

How can there be a lower priority on spending time with a family than not having a family (see your words below)?

and second, an obvious lack of post-secondary education in a useful area. If you have to work 70-80 hours a week to provide for your family, your skill set is not very valuable…perhaps going back to school and getting a college degree in something that has value would be useful.

Gee – I know several millionaires who work that hard – in fact, it’s the norm if you have your own businesses.

It’s for that very reason that, while I don’t have a family and never will due to my lack of vocation to married life, I have gone back to school in order to obtain a Civil Engineering degree.

What, you don’t even have a batchelor’s degree!

 

[BamaRider]

1st Vern said -

Basically, there are two types of people in this world, rugged individualists who only want to be free to follow their dreams and succeed or fail on their own efforts.

And then there are people with inferiority complexes, who deep down know they are inadequate and who fear to attempt self-sufficiency

So LCMS fired back-

The either/or thinking that the poster you’re responding to is indicative of a protestant mindset. It’s possible for their to be third or fourth or even a both/and option, but it’s completely foreign to the protestant mindset this poster obviously employs.

So that made me wanna ask this-

Does this mean Vern is thinkin like a Prostetant? Is that bad or good

LCMS responded-

I would say yes to the first question. It’s sheer nonsense what he said about there are only “two kinds of people.”

And considering we are Catholics, not Protestants and that the Catholic Church has formally condemned protestism as a heresy, I think it would be bad thing.

So now y’all think Vern is a double agent? LOL. All because he thinks their is value and reward in hard work?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Y’know, our boyo is getting close to declaring that laziness is a Catholic virtue.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

1st Vern said -

So LCMS fired back-

First, I don’t appreciate the calumny. I don’t fire anything at anyone. I respond.

So now y’all think Vern is a double agent? LOL. All because he thinks their is value and reward in hard work?

I didn’t say that, but nice try at misdirection. I said that having an either/or mindset is a protestant mindset.

I have no problem with honest hard work. I have a problem where people think that in order for people to be considered working to their “potential,” they have to be working 70-80 hours a week. If a person can support their family comfortably on 40 hours a week (as used to be possible), then what’s the evil in that? That’s the implication and it’s dishonest and inappropriate.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I have no problem with honest hard work. I have a problem where people think that in order for people to be considered working to their “potential,” they have to be working 70-80 hours a week. If a person can support their family comfortably on 40 hours a week (as used to be possible), then what’s the evil in that? That’s the implication and it’s dishonest and inappropriate.

Here’s a tip – when you go back to college, if you have to write a term paper, don’t use that kind of "logic.

 

[BamaRider]

Sheeeeesh why so touchy? “fired back” =metaphor for quick verbal response. "The man asked if he wanted to go, and and he quickly fired back, “no.” Everybody KNOWS, you didn’t fire a gun! LOL.

Does that mean you also don’t like 2nd Amendment stuff?

Misdirection? I’m NOT the guy that said Vern had a Protestant either/or* mentality*. Heck, I don’t even know what that is?? But if he has it, can it be fixed? LOL I thought it might be kinda neat having a double agent on the forum, that way he could tell us whats goin on in the other camp, so I was just checkin.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Sheeeeesh why so touchy? “fired back” =metaphor for quick verbal response. "The man asked if he wanted to go, and and he quickly fired back, “no.” Everybody KNOWS, you didn’t fire a gun! LOL.

Does that mean you also don’t like 2nd Amendment stuff?

Misdirection? I’m NOT the guy that said Vern had a Protestant either/or* mentality*. Heck, I don’t even know what that is?? But if he has it, can it be fixed? LOL I thought it might be kinda neat having a double agent on the forum, that way he could tell us whats goin on in the other camp, so I was just checkin.

The lad is confused – he thinks Alfred P. Doolittle was a Catholic theologian.

The Lord above made man to help his neighbor - but
With a little bit of luck, With a little bit of luck,
When he comes around you won’t be home!

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Sheeeeesh why so touchy? “fired back” =metaphor for quick verbal response. "The man asked if he wanted to go, and and he quickly fired back, “no.” Everybody KNOWS, you didn’t fire a gun! LOL.

Oh, ever so sorry. I’m just a stupid commie-lib yank living on the “left coast,” don’t ya know. I’m not all klassy like you down-home southern boys.

Does that mean you also don’t like 2nd Amendment stuff?

Irrelevant, but to be honest, I don’t like the right-wing’s spin on the Second Amendment.

Misdirection? I’m NOT the guy that said Vern had a Protestant either/or* mentality*. Heck, I don’t even know what that is?? But if he has it, can it be fixed? LOL I thought it might be kinda neat having a double agent on the forum, that way he could tell us whats goin on in the other camp, so I was just checkin.

You don’t get that one of the biggest difference between Protestants and Catholics is the mentality that separates them? Protestants say we can’t possibly pray to Mary because Jesus said to pray to “Our Father.” Either/or. We say can pray to Mary, the Father and even the Saints because we understand where each is in relationship to the other. Both/and.

Protestants say we’re saved through faith alone totally apart from good works (either/or). Catholics say we’re saved by faith working in love (both/and).

Protestants say Scripture alone apart and unrelated to what the Church and the Fathers have taught before (either/or) Catholics say that God’s revelation comes to us through Scripture AND Tradition (both/and).

Humphrey said that there are only two kinds of people: those who work up to their “full potential” 70-80 hours a week or lazy people who are liberals. That’s pretty obviously an either/or mindset. One’s full potential shoudln’t be based on quantity of hours work but the work they actually do. While I may have skipped college when I was young (yeah, I admit that), I realize that I do have a mathematically inclined mind and that I love highway design; therefore, I am back in school…so far, I have a 4.0 GPA.

Hate to disappoint you with that.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Fascinating that some folks think that a normal work week is 40 hours. I’ll go on a limb, but IMHO most folks in the private sector work a lot more than 40 hours a week.

 

[ribozyme]

Fascinating that some folks think that a normal work week is 40 hours. I’ll go on a limb, but IMHO most folks in the private sector work a lot more than 40 hours a week.

No wonder why people loathe France here…

 

[rlg94086]

No wonder why people loathe France here…

If you would go out and work at least 40 hours and support a family, we would have more respect for your opinion on the subject.

Ditto for LCMS…it is fine that you aren’t called to a vocation as a family man, but it doesn’t put you in a very good position to be an authority on a proper work week for raising a family, does it? I do try to avoid overworking, but more than 40 hours makes me a workaholic Protestant?? Puhleeze… Working more doesn’t mean I don’t value my family. I’m doing my best to balance my time. Most Catholic dads do, and most of them that I know put in more than 40 hours.

 

[ribozyme]

If you would go out and work at least 40 hours and support a family, we would have more respect for your opinion on the subject.

Ditto for LCMS…it is fine that you aren’t called to a vocation as a family man, but it doesn’t put you in a very good position to be an authority on a proper work week for raising a family, does it? I do try to avoid overworking, but more than 40 hours makes me a workaholic Protestant?? Puhleeze… Working more doesn’t mean I don’t value my family. I’m doing my best to balance my time. Most Catholic dads do, and most of them that I know put in more than 40 hours.

I do not trust my own opinion, but I prefer the European bogeyman because I read Paul Krugman’s work. The European bogeyman doesn’t sound so bad after all.

 

[rlg94086]

I do not trust my own opinion, but I prefer the European bogeyman because I read Paul Krugman’s work. The European bogeyman doesn’t sound so bad after all.

I’ve worked in Europe and for european companies. Their systems have their advantages and disadvantages, just as the US does. I happen to prefer our system, though there are some things we could implement here. In some european countries, they are becoming less socialistic because they can’t afford it.

What I am saying is…don’t idolize America or Europe (or Asia, or Africa). Observe cultures and look for the good and bad…all of them have both.

 

[Al_Masetti]

No wonder why people loathe France here…

We don’t loathe France here.

We admire the French for their nuclear-powered electrical system … they get 80% of their electricity from nukes … versus 20% here in the USofA. AND their early reactors were basically American designs from Combustion Engineering and Westinghouse and like that. Since the Americans abdicated the nuclear engineering field, the reactor designs have made substantial improvements. The early electric power nuclear reactor designs were scaled up submarine reactors … originally designed for quietness and compactness. The newer electric power reactors have been designed for ease of refueling and such.

We admire the French for their wines. Although … most of the French wine grapes died of a rust or some bug, and were replanted using new stock from … California.

We admire the French for their high speed trains. And their CAD/CAM system … CATIA … the industry standard. And their fly-by wire aeroplanes and other aeroplanes and helicopters.

It was the French who stopped the Moorish invasion of Europe at the Battle of Tours.

It was the French who came to our aid to fight the Brits in the American Revolution.

We admire the French so much that tens of thousands of Americans died in liberating France from Naziism.

And etc.