Sodom and Gomorah, God and His Christ

[Clovis]

With Sodom and Gomorrah in danger, Abraham pleaded to God and tried to get him to show mercy, feeling bad for the innocence blood in the city, and yet still couldn’t dispel God’s verdict. And as Christ has said, 'Sodom and Gomorrah would have repented long ago in ash and sackcloth had it have seen what you’ve seen." To me this speaks how mankind has become more enriched with wickedness from the time of those cities days to these times of here and now. Also interesting is how the Lord Christ has accumulated the name that was once Gods, I mean ‘The Lord’ of Abraham was God. But ‘The Lord’ to us Christians is Christ. By Christ’s statement about Sodom and Gomorrah, we see that wickedness is not annihilated, but brought to tribulation and repentance, this is why he is our Lord.

 

[NotWorthy]

Are you sure that Christ wasn’t using exaggeration to show the Pharisee’s obstinacy? I mean, the Pharisees weren’t asking to send out anyone for a little sodomy.

 

[Clovis]

Are you sure that Christ wasn’t using exaggeration to show the Pharisee’s obstinacy? I mean, the Pharisees weren’t asking to send out anyone for a little sodomy.

The word ‘exaggeration’ applies a sense of humor or sarcasm I wouldn’t find palatable with what I think of as my Lord.

 

[Eden]

Also interesting is how the Lord Christ has accumulated the name that was once Gods, I mean ‘The Lord’ of Abraham was God. But ‘The Lord’ to us Christians is Christ.

Jesus is God, so I don’t understand this statement of yours.

 

[savedsinner]

With Sodom and Gomorrah in danger, Abraham pleaded to God and tried to get him to show mercy, feeling bad for the innocence blood in the city, and yet still couldn’t dispel God’s verdict. And as Christ has said, 'Sodom and Gomorrah would have repented long ago in ash and sackcloth had it have seen what you’ve seen." To me this speaks how mankind has become more enriched with wickedness from the time of those cities days to these times of here and now. Also interesting is how the Lord Christ has accumulated the name that was once Gods, I mean ‘The Lord’ of Abraham was God. But ‘The Lord’ to us Christians is Christ. By Christ’s statement about Sodom and Gomorrah, we see that wickedness is not annihilated, but brought to tribulation and repentance, this is why he is our Lord.

I am not sure what you are alluding to here.

Moses pleaded for the Israelites after the Golden Calf incident, and God relented in his desire to annihilate them all.
And that was the ‘God of Abraham’ rather than the ‘Lord of the Christians’ that you mentioned.
(There is only one God, so I am not sure what you mean, perhaps that you see a difference between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament, but there isn’t a difference, since God never changes. it is the same God.)

And Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 AD, after Jesus, and it was because God’s Judgment was poured upon them.

God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if there would have been 10 holy men there, but they did not heed God’s word.

 

[Mirdath]

The word ‘exaggeration’ applies a sense of humor or sarcasm I wouldn’t find palatable with what I think of as my Lord.

If God has no sense of humor, how does one explain the basset hound? A god who cannot laugh is no God, for he is lower than mere Humor.

And Jesus, whatever else he might have been, was a world-class rhetorician; exaggeration, sarcasm, irony, and humor are all perfectly valid rhetorical devices. Is not the parable of the mustard seed exaggeration? Is not the reference to the Pharisees as ‘the blind leading the blind’ sarcasm?

 

[Clovis]

If God has no sense of humor, how does one explain the basset hound? A god who cannot laugh is no God, for he is lower than mere Humor.

And Jesus, whatever else he might have been, was a world-class rhetorician; exaggeration, sarcasm, irony, and humor are all perfectly valid rhetorical devices. Is not the parable of the mustard seed exaggeration? Is not the reference to the Pharisees as ‘the blind leading the blind’ sarcasm?

I think he was perfectly correct in saying the blind leading the blind, nor do I believe a single soul here has the faith of a mustard seed. Christ was the light of men. Have you ever analyzed humor; name one time it wasn’t at something or someones expense.

 

[Clovis]

Jesus was not a regular person and can’t get confused with orators like Cicero and Lenin. I am 99.9% sure that the ones attracted to him were more gnostic than anything else, and unlike the Pharisees, they didn’t deign to think they knew the answer to everything.

 

[thistle]

**Jesus was not a regular person **and can’t get confused with orators like Cicero and Lenin. I am 99.9% sure that the ones attracted to him were more gnostic than anything else, and unlike the Pharisees, they didn’t deign to think they knew the answer to everything.

You are right. Jesus is GOD!

 

[Clovis]

You are right. Jesus is GOD!

Don’t be cute with me thistle! The person I quoted was saying Christ was prone to exaggeration and humor and what not, and I felt I must say those things are not spiritual and therefore nor within spirit of God.

 

[Mirdath]

I think he was perfectly correct in saying the blind leading the blind, nor do I believe a single soul here has the faith of a mustard seed.

Quite so! That he was correct doesn’t make his use of sarcasm and exaggeration not sarcasm and exaggeration.

Have you ever analyzed humor; name one time it wasn’t at something or someones expense.

You’re conflating humor and a few of its subsets. Something need not be ironic, satirical, or mocking to be funny (it just helps).

As for examples, well, I about fell off my chair the first time I saw this.

 

[Clovis]

Quite so! That he was correct doesn’t make his use of sarcasm and exaggeration not sarcasm and exaggeration.

You’re conflating humor and a few of its subsets. Something need not be ironic, satirical, or mocking to be funny (it just helps).

As for examples, well, I about fell off my chair the first time I saw this.

But that is stupid, stupid things are at the center of all laughter. You don’t know it but you are hoarding yourself over the cat.

 

[Clovis]

**Dear Mirdath,

I just theorize that the angel who walks in the midst of the fiery stones, which very well could be this fallen angel with the keys in the last book of the bible, and who, once he is cast to earth by God and marvel at by men, maybe even be the brunt end of all jokes in the end’s end, but the funny thing truly is that it isn’t funny at all, pathetic isn’t even the right word, but just plain sad. How is it known that this little former cherub will not again be with God, maybe when God says ‘you shall be no more’, he meant the wretch he had become with his iniquity will be reject by the cherub when he has opened his eyes to wisdom, people learn from their mistakes, maybe after all not only in Isaiah be the light-bearer, but in Revelation be the morning star, as Christ spoke, ‘so that the scripture can be fulfilled’, therefore blast hell to heaven.

I have read actual fiction by good Christian who felt the need to bound themselves to chairs and cry endlessly, or understand the bee-hive and all the bees humming at different pitches and flying in different angles and levels and speeds, but only as to return to the home of the hive. Maybe this unnameable figure fallen from heaven hoards himself over us with the laughter which once looked so innocent. That he could come to us all who gather around him, to look in his empty impotent eyes, and have him open his hand to show us something, only to reveal in the hollow of his hand an arse-hole, and we all intuitively and stupidly burst into laughter and our guts bust like Judas and that is the end of all of us.

Jesus never laughed.**

 

[Mirdath]

Jesus never laughed.

Then he and his followers alike have my deepest, most sincere pity.

Laughter is not a wicked thing, not a sin; it’s a great part of what makes us human. It is written that he wept; how could he know what sadness is without knowing joy? Saying he never laughed is to deny his humanity.

I could never worship a god who could not laugh.

 

[Ruthie]

Then [Abraham] said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten [righteous] are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” 33 And the LORD went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place. Gen 18:32-33 (RSV)

But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house; 5 and they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
Gen 19:4-5 (RSV)

Obviously, only Lot and his family were righteous.

 

[AndyF]

Then he and his followers alike have my deepest, most sincere pity.

Laughter is not a wicked thing, not a sin; it’s a great part of what makes us human. It is written that he wept; how could he know what sadness is without knowing joy? Saying he never laughed is to deny his humanity.

I could never worship a god who could not laugh.

Well said!

AndyF

 

[NotWorthy]

The word ‘exaggeration’ applies a sense of humor or sarcasm I wouldn’t find palatable with what I think of as my Lord.

The word “exaggeration” applies very well to when Jesus said “cut off your hand” or “remove the plank from your eye”. It has its applications without the use of sarcasm or humor.

BTW, you don’t think Jesus had a sense of humor or ever used humor in his words?

 

[NotWorthy]

Jesus was not a regular person and can’t get confused with orators like Cicero and Lenin. I am 99.9% sure that the ones attracted to him were more gnostic than anything else, and unlike the Pharisees, they didn’t deign to think they knew the answer to everything.

Gnostic connotes knowledge doesn’t it?

Didn’t Jesus say one should be child-like to enter the kingdom of God. This implies that one should accept things on faith, rather than having to prove something before you believe it, as most knowledgable people do.

 

[NotWorthy]

Don’t be cute with me thistle! The person I quoted was saying Christ was prone to exaggeration and humor and what not, and I felt I must say those things are not spiritual and therefore nor within spirit of God.

I was that person. I appreciate your so-keen observation that I’m not trying to be spiritual.

Note: That’s Sarcasm…

 

[NotWorthy]

Have you ever analyzed humor; name one time it wasn’t at something or someones expense.

Clovis, it’s interesting that you brought up Psalm 2 on another thread. It says:

2 *** Kings on earth rise up and princes plot together against the LORD and his anointed: 3 ****** “Let us break their shackles and cast off their chains!”****** 4 ****** The one enthroned in heaven laughs***; the Lord derides them,