Can you give me the Bible verse that says we are saved, justified or made righteous by “faith alone”. I only know of one place that says “faith alone” and it says we are NOT justified by “faith alone” and the word used to describe the person who thinks we are is not a compliment.lol…it is
He said that no one who believes in Him will perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16). That is absolutely true. So all who believe in Him will be saved—do you unreservedly agree?Yes He absolutely does. No doubt about it. He said it He meant it, though that is not ALL He said. He said a lot more than that.
And then there are those of us who preach that we should listen to what God says through the Scriptures. Yet, the Bible does not reject prophecy (on the contrary)—only false prophecy. True prophecy points to Christ and His finished work of salvation. False prophecy points at what we should “do” to be saved.You have never heard someone claim they know when the end is coming, or say, “I had a word from Christ to give to you”. That is a sentence you hear alot, “I had a word from God today”.
Oh, but it certainly is there.It is not a straw man. It is just Biblical. No where does the Bible say we are credited with righeousness through faith alone. It just isn’t there, no matter how much we want to believe it is.
I will back it up when you answer my simple question—not a moment earlier.This isn’t the ‘other site’ Johan where you have a cheering section… you made a statement so back it up please
Sure though belief alone is not Biblical. As I said, Jesus said a lot more.He said that no one who believes in Him will perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16). That is absolutely true. So all who believe in Him will be saved—do you unreservedly agree?
And then there are those of us who preach that we should listen to what God says through the Scriptures
Hmm, whose version of what the Scripture says? Yours, the pastor down the road or around the corner or someone elses?False prophecy points at what we should “do” to be saved.
yes but the Scriptures also say that Abraham was made righteous by his obedience, so you see there is more to it.However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Again, your interpretation,. absolutely clear that it is not Biblical, though because it contradicts Jesus’ commands and the other words of Paul and James.Justification by faith apart from works = justification by faith alone.
Well, I do not consider this to be something as mundane as sports. The very existence of this thread is support enough for my thesis. And I guess I will have to wait indefinitely for your answer.So you aren’t into sports I see… home field advantage
well, you are correct .There is no faith alone saves in any exact translation, save perhaps Luthers.Can you give me the Bible verse that says we are saved, justified or made righteous by “faith alone”. I only know of one place that says “faith alone” and it says we are NOT justified by “faith alone” and the word used to describe the person who thinks we are is not a compliment.
James 2
Since you have a PhD [like members in my family], I am looking forward to your thoughts on ‘our false gospel’The very existence of this thread is support enough for my thesis. And I guess I will have to wait indefinitely for your answer.
well, if I can know how I am and am not in a heretical walk, imperfect union walk, according to CC , you by now should know the general Protestant view on the Catholic walk, even of those who define gospel differently than CC.Since you have a PhD [like members in my family], I am looking forward to your thoughts on ‘our false gospel’
Yes, Jesus said a lot more, but nothing He said contradicts what He said in John 3:16. Do you unreservedly agree that all who believe in Him will be saved?As I said, Jesus said a lot more.
Someone who does not unreservedly preach Christ and Him crucified for our salvation. A “prophet” telling us to “get ready,” thereby neglecting that He has made us ready to meet Him, is a false prophet.How do you know someone is a false prophet?
No, the Scriptures do not say that He was made righteous by his obedience. He was already righteous by faith from the moment he believed. And to be precise: faith does not make us righteous—it is credited to us as righteousness.yes but the Scriptures also say that Abraham was made righteous by his obedience, so you see there is more to it.
It is not “interpretation,” but definition. When we say that we are justified by faith alone, we mean that we are justified by faith apart from works. Precisely what Paul says in Romans 4.Again, your interpretation,. absolutely clear that it is not Biblical, though because it contradicts Jesus’ commands and the other words of Paul and James.
I am sorry that you are sorry, but that does not shake my faith. The Bible does not contradict itself, so what is true in one passage, or even one verse, is true for the entire Word of God. Jesus says that all who believe in Him will be saved. I trust Him, believing that this is absolutely true. Do you?I’m sorry it just isn’t there, no matter how much you believe it is or how many verses you pull up to try and show it does. If you are not hearing ALL of Scripture you are not hearing the fullness of truth.
Yes, I remember as a protesant I was going to prove to my Catholic family, a few years back, that the Bible truly said we were saved by “faith alone”. I searched and searched but it wasn’t there. When I read the book of James, I felt like God had just got hit me in the head. .well, you are correct .There is no faith alone saves in any exact translation, save perhaps Luthers.
You are right, there are alot of posts. Many of the comments here are just repeating the same thing over and over. Not only that, I am sure you would agree, it’s not 1200 posts advocating for faith alone.Yet 1200 posts have elapsed because there are enough verses to suggest faith alone, as opposed to works, and yet some verses to suggest works also. I would prefer not change definition of faith or justification to accommodate the apparent contradictionBut we have been over this .
Shhh, let sleeping dogs lay…no moderator correctionsit’s not 1200 posts advocating for faith alone.
hmmmm,even of those who define gospel differently than CC.
And do you believe that you are saved by what is taught in those verses? What do you think when lurkers notice your reluctance to answer that question?That is the gospel message
And does that teaching authority prohibit you from answering my simple question?I follow the teaching authority set up by Christ, Johan
too bad you didn’t have google…i mean there are enough verses having works failing us, for justification without works and not just Jewish works…it would be quite cynical to think Luther put his "alone " in there without some merit from scripture and his times. Even here i have seen a few comments from some that show that some self justification is still alive and well.I searched and searched but it wasn’t there.
And do you believe that you are saved by what is taught in those verses?
You try to keep asking people what they “think” or “believe” as individuals and from Scripture alone. We know that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded and the only place given authority to interpret Scripture, we know to trust in the Lord and not lean on ones own understanding.And does that teaching authority prohibit you from answering my simple question?
Thank you MagdalenaRita! I have seen that tactic on the other site with several protestantsYou seem to want to trip Catholics up asking if they believe in a Bible verse here or there taken out of context also. We believe the WHOLE of Scripture, as it was given to the Catholic church. There is no such thing as Scripture alone either. There never was, East or West until the protestant revolution.
These are very common protestant tactics.