Sola Scriptura contradicts Inspiration of the apostles?

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Tomster said:
Which leads to more question, G.B.

Where is this congregation of Christians? Where may one find them? Are they a visible or invisible group of believers? Where do they get the authentic authority to exercise discipline? Could this particular group of Christian’s differ in discipline from a separate group of Christians? If this were so, which disciplining group would be correct and the other false? If I were to personnaly submit myself to their discipline how could I be sure that their discipline was Bible based, because going by the Protestant tradition of Sola Scriptura, I would have the right to reject their discipline if I felt that the Bible and their discipline did not coincide . And when doing so wouldn’t I be subjecting myself to this particular church’s magisterium? How would this church’s magisterium differ from, say, the magisterium of the Catholic Church?
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I don’t see what the line of questioning is seeking to prove. Before you worry about the epistemological problems of Protestant church discipline, worry about Biden and Pelosi.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
Because it (sola scriptura) is not a claim that the church did not receive the canon of Scripture.
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So, is the protestant canon still open? Was Luther then a pre-Trent council of one? This seems like it would be very confusing to someone who simply wants to know what is revealed and what is not.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
The canon of Scripture is neither a dogma nor relevant to sola scriptura.
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Are you saying that only dogma needs to follow Sola Scriptura?

So you are not against praying the rosary “because it’s not found in the Bible”?

Incidentally, the canon of Scripture is of profound import. If you can’t know with certainty that Hebrews, Philemon, 3 John, etc etc etc are inspired, then how can you know that your doctrines, which you get from the Bible, come from God?
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
You would not be admitted. You have the right of “private judgment” inasnuch as those things are between your conscience and God. That doesn’t mean your judgment can disagree with what the congregation believes.
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So, congregational beliefs (translated: traditions) trumps my private judgment based on the Bible alone?
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
I don’t see what the line of questioning is seeking to prove. Before you worry about the epistemological problems of Protestant church discipline, worry about Biden and Pelosi.
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Biden and Pelosi are another topic. Perhaps a new thread.
 
PRmerger said:
Are you saying that only dogma needs to follow Sola Scriptura?

So you are not against praying the rosary “because it’s not found in the Bible”?

Incidentally, the canon of Scripture is of profound import. If you can’t know with certainty that Hebrews, Philemon, 3 John, etc etc etc are inspired, then how can you know that your doctrines, which you get from the Bible, come from God?
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PR,

I, for one, am really not sure where Sola Scriptura fits into the scheme of things for GB. 🤷

Based on his reply to my questions it seems that one must believe what the particular congregation believes, 100%, in order to be admitted into that particular congregation thereby trumping my right to private judgment based on Scritpture alone.

Follow me?

See post # 157
 
Tomster said:
Thanks GB. :okpeople: “Tradition trumps Sola Scriptura!” - GB
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If the supposed “right of private judgment” had anything to do with sola scriptura. Again, its easy to score victories against strawmen.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
If the supposed “right of private judgment” had anything to do with sola scriptura. Again, its easy to score victories against strawmen.
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Just trying to understand, GB, that’s all.

By your replies to my questions you have stated that a particular church’s beliefs would trump how I interpret Scriptures all by myself and therefore deny me entrance into that particular church. It’s all related GB.
 
Tomster said:
Just trying to understand, GB, that’s all.

By your replies to my questions you have stated that a particular church’s beliefs would trump how I interpret Scriptures all by myself and therefore deny me entrance into that particular church. It’s all related GB.
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It’s not related. Look at how any major Protestant confession of faith on the topic of sola scriptura and base your argument on that and not on the views of pop Catholic apologetics.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
It’s not related. Look at how any major Protestant confession of faith on the topic of sola scriptura and base your argument on that and not on the views of pop Catholic apologetics.
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Which leads me to ask how many different major Protestant confessions of faith are there and by what method can one determine which confession is correct in all matters and which one’s aren’t? Can’t I just search the Scriptures all by myself to make the correct determination?
 
Tomster said:
Which leads me to ask how many different major Protestant confessions of faith are there and by what method can one determine which confession is correct in all matters and which one’s aren’t? Can’t I just search the Scriptures all by myself to make the correct determination?
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The same way you make the determination to believe or not believe anything else. But to narrow it down, we’re here addressing sola scriptura. So stick to that one. If only for the sake of not having to bounce from subject to subject.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
The same way you make the determination to believe or not believe anything else. But to narrow it down, we’re here addressing sola scriptura. So stick to that one. If only for the sake of not having to bounce from subject to subject.
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Sorry, as I, said they are all related.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
The same way you make the determination to believe or not believe anything else. But to narrow it down, we’re here addressing sola scriptura. So stick to that one. If only for the sake of not having to bounce from subject to subject.
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From my point view, GB, words and terms like sola scriptura, tradition, church, private judgment, etc. are all related. They all, eventually, fall under a major subject. That subject is truth.
 
Tomster said:
Which leads to more question, G.B.

Where is this congregation of Christians? Where may one find them? Are they a visible or invisible group of believers? Where do they get the authentic authority to exercise discipline? Could this particular group of Christian’s differ in discipline from a separate group of Christians? If this were so, which disciplining group would be correct and the other false? If I were to personnaly submit myself to their discipline how could I be sure that their discipline was Bible based, because going by the Protestant tradition of Sola Scriptura, I would have the right to reject their discipline if I felt that the Bible and their discipline did not coincide . And when doing so wouldn’t I be subjecting myself to this particular church’s magisterium? How would this church’s magisterium differ from, say, the magisterium of the Catholic Church?
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Believe me, GB, I’m not trying to badger you. I believe these questions go to the heart of the subject matter.
 
po18guy said:
A tiny fraction of revelation was committed to writing (Luke 3:18, John 20:30, John 21:25, Acts 2"40, 1 Coritnhains 11:34, Ephesians 6:21, etc. etc. etc.). In order for scripture to be a “final authority”, the Apostles would have had to declare that. They did not. 15 centuries later, a group of rebellious men did. By what authority did they declare that?

We see from Nehemiah 8:5-8 and from Acts 8:26-35 that scripture needs authoritative interpretation. We see from 2 Peter 3:16 that the ignorant and unstable twist and distort the scriptures. 2 Peter 3:17 admonishes us not to listen to them.
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Take a look at 2 Tim 3:14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Notice that the scriptures states throughly furnished unto all good works. Not some but all works. This scritpures shows the bible is complete and can be depended on as the foundation for anyone that is a man of God.
 
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